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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris in the para casts we're gonna take

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a detour from mostly UFOs this week a

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little bit later in the show but right

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now we want to just take a moment or two

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to observe the passing of a fellow

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traveler and I mentioned them briefly in

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last week's episode it's a small

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universe of people who have produced

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paranormal radio year after year and a

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lot of us are a little bit older than we

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used to be I expect them on the same age

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group as art Bell or George Noory or as

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a matter of fact our friend Don Ecker so

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we never know of course we have these

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young up-and-coming whippersnappers like

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Christopher O'Brien Wow I don't feel

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young Wow speak for yourself my friend

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yeah but I know you were on the show

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every so often Kevin Smith and he has

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been doing online radio since the early

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2000s kind of a little bit before I got

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into the game with the tech night out

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live he was treated in the hospital for

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a heart condition and then when he left

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the hospital he was seized and he didn't

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survive an unfortunate thing because the

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guy wasn't all that old you know if

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person doesn't live to 110 these days I

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think they could have hung around for a

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few more years like Jim Mosely anyway

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Kevin Smith is no longer with us but you

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knew him and you were on his show yeah

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actually I was one of his first guests

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way back in I think it was 2004 2005

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Kevin you know was a was a pretty

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interesting guy and I think a fairly up

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to speed host for the you know the width

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and breadth of subject matter that these

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types of shows Kevin's show our show

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coast-to-coast you really have to you

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know have a bit of research kind of

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chops on your under your hat and

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Kevin managed to uh I think stay ahead

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of the curve in in a lot of the subject

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areas and I thought he was a very good

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radio host and had a very interesting

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background spent a lot of time overseas

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officers actually overseas at one point

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and you know I did do a show on quite a

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number of occasions and always had a

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good time he seemed a little bit

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entrenched in a particular reality view

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but you know after you've been exposed

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to this stuff for the amount of years

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that he had and and of course you and I

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have Jana you do tend to lose a little

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bit of your objectivity I think I think

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you make up your mind and in some ways

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shapes and forms and and Kevin was like

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that but I recall the last time I was on

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his show he kept insisting that the call

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came to call vote on of course who is

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the Mayan King riding the rocket ship in

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the famous von daniken interpretation

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occasions very familiar with the

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archeology of the spy in I had a hard

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time talking to him that the call was

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not eight feet tall he was under six

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feet tall and he just you know I was

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wrong and he was right yeah I mean Kevin

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pretty definitive in his particular

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beliefs and stuff and that's okay I

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thought he made a very great radio host

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was very gracious and he'll be sadly

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missed I think he had a lot of fans out

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there but anyway we're certainly sad to

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see one of our fellow travelers no

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longer with us our best to his family

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and his friends and there you go Kevin

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Smith no relation by the way to the one

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know when you try to look him up online

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that gets to be rather confusing yeah

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it's a rather rather common name but but

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Kevin was an uncommon guy I really I

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really did enjoy doing his show and you

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know I didn't do it too many times half

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a dozen or so but over the years I you

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know touch bases with him and we did we

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did talk on the phone from time to time

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and compare notes and uh you know

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was a really nice guy I remember when he

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visited Sedona about three or four years

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was going and you know again yeah you're

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right gene it's it's really sad when we

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lose people you know too soon Kevin I

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think I had a lot of life and and and

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you know it's too bad that we're not

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gonna be able to uh see where it was

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gonna take us his show and and and some

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of the things that he was investigating

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and researching and I have to be honest

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with you I wasn't terribly familiar with

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the show I hadn't listened to it and

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that because I'm trying to be a big

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muckety-muck or anything or an egomaniac

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the thing is Here I am so busy with my

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two shows this one in the tech night out

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live and my writing and research I don't

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have time to listen to other shows no

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criticism intended I just don't have the

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time speaking of making time to do

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things you of course are taking valuable

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time away from a certain book that

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you're writing stalking the herd I want

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to understand this because you mentioned

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this on last week's episode was mr. Fox

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and that is you had to go back to was it

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New Mexico because something you had

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assembled some material disappeared when

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you left of things yeah

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and that was kind of a strange I still

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haven't figured out what what happened

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yeah I ended up missing about five

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pounds of of research that I had you

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know a comb through and and selected

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over gosh over a week and and I got home

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open my bag and it was gone I didn't I

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never saw it from the time that I packed

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it at my brother's house too to the time

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that I opened it up expecting to see it

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see the file and start going through it

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very excitedly you know I spent quite a

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bit of time combing through probably the

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largest database related to the

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unexplained livestock death phenomenon

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David Perkins library and and much to my

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you know just absolute joy and and

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thankfulness he spent an entire day

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recreating and REE copying everything

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that I had lost so I've finally back in

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the driver's seat again with you know

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the majority of the material that ended

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up missing one of the things that really

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kind of was a little icky and was all

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Valdez who of course we had on two weeks

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copies of all his dad's cattle

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mutilation official police reports and

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and those I haven't replaced and you

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you know you just don't know I'm not

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really prone to you know flying off into

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paranoia and conspiracy and all that but

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it is a little strange that the material

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disappeared and that I was kind of held

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up from taking the first bus in the

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morning had to wait five hours to take

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the second bus in the afternoon and come

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to learn that they had overbooked the

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first bus by eleven people which is

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unheard of in the bus business I thought

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stand all the way at that like a New

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hour from Flagstaff but but you know I

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guess the the story has a happy ending

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I'm sitting here looking at maybe four

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pounds of material that I'm compiling

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the hardest chapter of the book the the

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1970s and the thousands of cases that

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were reported some would yet some not

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and Rocky Mountain States and seventy

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four five and six very very dense very

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difficult chapter to write and the only

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real go-to guy in this particular time

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period for these cases is David Perkins

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hence my trip there but I did make a

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trip up to Colorado here this last

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weekend and boy we sure had a lot of

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sightings up in the San Luis Valley

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were well on the way of getting our

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second camera up for this San Luis

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Valley camera project and we we finally

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finalized the details for a high-speed

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internet connection for the entire

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system which is a major major hurdle

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that we've been struggling

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with once you do that by the way to make

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a long story short once we do that we'll

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try to work out a way to present it on

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Chris's site it's not an easy thing

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because some of the techniques we're

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going to try and no longer being done so

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I suggested an html5 solution which may

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mean nothing to anybody but maybe it'll

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work this week we will focus on

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something other than UFOs or at least I

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don't think it has anything to do with

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UFOs and that is the VanMeter visitor

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and the subtitle of this book from Chad

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Lewis Noah Voss and Kevin Lee Nelson is

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a true and mysterious encounter with the

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unknown the van reader visitor is it a

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Mothman in the Midwest more to come with

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[Music]

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attack of the rock odes

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has been well received by critics and

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readers alike it's a thrill a minute

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story you'll never forget a former US

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military intelligence officer is haunted

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by intense dreams about a beautiful

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woman pleading for his help after a

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terrible battle in outer space but the

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dreams turn out to be true and thrust

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him into a telepathic love affair with a

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woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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gripping tale continues in the coming of

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the protectors it's the second book of

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the raccoons trilogy a galaxy spanning

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adventure that fits our hapless heroes

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against powerful fanatical enemies that

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

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beings everywhere attack of the rock

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eggs and the coming of the protectors

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22 years in the industry the dollar has

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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so probably we're not going to talk

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about UFOs today I know some people

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write us and say why is it always UFOs

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and part of that is because I came up

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from the UFO field chris is a

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counterbalance because he's covered

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cattle mutilations and all sorts of

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other stuff ghosts and things like that

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we've also done shows about strange

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creatures we had one show where we

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devoted a long segment to the flatwoods

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monster but with Chad Lewis today and he

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is one of the authors of the van Meter

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visitor we're talking about what is this

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like a batwing creature or Chad is this

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a Mothman in the Midwest tell me more

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yeah we certainly don't know it may be

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the predecessor to the the Mothman that

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appeared in West Virginia in the 60s

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what we know is that it's an eight-foot

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giant bat like creature with large

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featherless wings that has this blunt

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horn sticking out of its forehead

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oh I don't want to be in the dark alley

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here I'll tell you right it's really it

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has a lot of similarities to the Mothman

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but also some differences that I've

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never encountered before in my my

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research of strange creatures like the

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glowing horn it has this blowing horn it

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also has the ability to emit some

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strange odor that seems to wipe away the

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memory of those who encounter this odor

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so again it has several similarities but

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many differences as well

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all right the amnesia capability now

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that's wacky I haven't heard of that

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before and of course I haven't studied

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all the cases on the universe but is

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that unique the ability to cloud

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people's mind so they can't see them it

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sounds like the shadow maybe the van

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Meter visitor was an influence of the

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shadow yeah also it seems to fit more in

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ufology and UFO reports of alien

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abduction where abductees report not

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only having them missing time or missing

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memories but also false memories memory

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of seeing a giant four-foot squirrel or

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a rabbit with these large black almond

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eyes so it's almost as though these

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beings put the memory into

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the abductees so it's very similar to

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that on those aspects well we're kind of

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getting ahead of ourselves here a little

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bit Chad let's let's uh take it back and

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set the stage about the town give us a

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little bit of background of what was

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going on there of course talk about the

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mind and and other important pertinent

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elements that that actually figure

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prominently later on in the story

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especially the the initial sightings on

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the rooftop so why don't we take a

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ticket to the beginning once you give

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everyone a bit of a set up here in the

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background imaginisce 1903 and you're in

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rural Iowa you're about 20 miles

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southwest of Des Moines in a small town

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called van Meter which was about 900

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residents mostly farmers they had the

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typical couple saloons a small hotel

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when you think of a rural Iowa town

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you're probably thinking of van Meter so

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nothing out of the ordinary happened

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there very often and it wasn't until

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about 1:00 a.m. one evening when it

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local implement dealer was coming back

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into town when he noticed a ball of

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light hovering over the building he

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thought it was a burglar

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which was an obvious choice back then so

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he proceeded with caution but as he got

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close to this ball of light it simply

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disappeared and then reappeared directly

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across the street and then disappeared

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into the night before he could even

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investigate it and he really didn't

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think anything of it he told a few

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people about it the next day but again

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it was just a ball of light hovering

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over a building probably just a prowler

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or burglars so it started off really

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slow after this what happened next once

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he saw this thing for the first time

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sure as far as he knew it was a ball of

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light he talked about it to other

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residents the next day but that next

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evening about 1:00 a.m. again a local

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doctor who was sleeping above his office

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in the same building that he worked in

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he was woken up by a bright light

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blinding in his office window and the

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newspaper said that he grabbed his gun

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and ran outside where he saw

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what he reported to be this half-human

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half-animal would giant bat like wings

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and not the horn protruding from his

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forehead and this guy blasted at close

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range five shots at this beast and when

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he noticed that he either missed or the

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bullets had no effect

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he saved the last bullet I think for

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himself and he ran back into the safety

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of the apartment he was in and he waited

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for daylight to arrive I know it's

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interesting here this shoot first ask

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questions later a kind of belief is that

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common among cases that involve strange

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creatures in that particular point in

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time we have to remind everybody we're

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talking about 1903 yeah 1903 rural Iowa

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if you were afraid of burglars coming

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after you most of the town's folk

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probably were armed and they would shoot

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because if you were foolish enough to

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try to rob these places you were foolish

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enough to deal with the consequences so

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I didn't think it was that outrageous

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for the doctor to start blasting at

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something that was coming into his home

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or his office and certainly he felt

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threatened enough to unload his weapon

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on it so it wasn't effective was it no

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like I said either he missed all five

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which he shot at less than 15 feet away

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or this thing was impervious to the

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human weapon I don't know but it said

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had no effect whatsoever and that's what

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I think really spooked him is that he

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ran back and retreated because he

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realized that his weapon was just of no

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use whatsoever how did you find out

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about this case give us a little

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background on what prompted you to do

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the amount of digging that he did and

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this is not easy research to do going

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back over 110 years I mean this is this

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is pretty rarefied realm in paranormal

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investigation in terms of research how

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did you find out about it my co-authors

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Noah boss and Kevin Nelson we were

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planning a legend trip into Iowa to

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explore some of the the best paranormal

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cases and we had a lot of good stuff

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lined up a cemetery where a black Angel

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of Death if you go in there at midnight

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you'll die

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we had a an old abandoned town where a

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werewolf type creature was said to prowl

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but we were missing that one anchor that

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would just make it an amazing legend

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trip so I started going through my old

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files and I had done a series of books

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from the late 1800s Early 1900s which

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looked at old newspaper accounts per

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state where it would be anything from

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bizarre deaths to peculiar people to

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haunted homes and these all occurred

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around 1800s 9 early 1900 and now years

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ago I had done several months of this

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research for Iowa all the old Iowa

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newspapers but like a lot of things that

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got pushed on the back shelf for

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something else so I thought I would just

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start flipping through these old files

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and maybe something would pop up and

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that's when I was flipping through and I

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saw this article about Des Moines new

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monster the paper had it wrong it was

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VanMeter but close enough and I thought

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right away reading about this mysterious

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beast that it was going to be an easy

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case to solve I would just make a few

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calls and find out that this was a hoax

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or something else but I soon found out

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after calling the local librarian Joe

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Lina Welker that this case was still

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going

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it wasn't forgotten it was just nearly

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hidden so that's really what began

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digging well dig into more of this the

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VanMeter visitor who and what was it

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kind of strange isn't it Chad Lewis

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joining us one of the co-authors of the

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621
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you are listening to the podcast I was

622
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thinking neighbors and maybe Chris

623
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:13,770
O'Brien would bring out one of his

624
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flying monster kind of voices but then

625
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what kind of voice do you bring out for

626
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a flying monster Chad Lewis joins us one

627
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:23,230
of the co-authors of the VanMeter

628
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visitor so you're on a trip to find

629
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paranormal events and you got

630
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I guess Morga than you bargained for huh

631
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:32,740
yes and this was very difficult because

632
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when we went to town we had the original

633
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:38,410
newspaper accounts but that was it there

634
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:41,170
was no Historical Society either today

635
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:44,950
or in 1903 and VanMeter of course all

636
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the witnesses have long passed on many

637
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:49,360
of their family members have moved out

638
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:52,270
of the area or they're no longer around

639
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:54,910
themselves so we really had to start

640
00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:57,370
from scratch and I think that's what

641
00:28:02,820 --> 00:27:59,770
made it interesting for me is that this

642
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:02,830
was practically an unheard-of case that

643
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:04,870
we had to really dig up from scratch

644
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:07,210
let's look at the mechanism of doing

645
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:09,580
this research newspaper clippings at the

646
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:12,100
time much pay dirt there yes

647
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:15,640
luckily the newspaper of the time listed

648
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:19,690
every single witness in the newspaper so

649
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:21,880
we were able to go back and dig these

650
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:23,890
people up through other newspaper

651
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:27,130
accounts and find their photos and the

652
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:29,860
town history a little bit that existed

653
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,290
and what I was amazed that right away

654
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:34,960
was the fact that all these witnesses

655
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:37,660
were the most prominent people in town

656
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:41,110
it was a doctor it was the postmaster it

657
00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:43,180
was a gentleman who became the mayor it

658
00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:45,640
was a principal so these were not you

659
00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:48,760
know the town drunks or those that might

660
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:51,460
be open to embellishing a bit these were

661
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:53,950
men that put their reputation on the

662
00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:56,820
line for this story and back in 1903

663
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:00,040
your reputation was all you had because

664
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,070
if you were selling in your business and

665
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,960
somebody found out you're seeing

666
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:07,360
eight-foot giant bat creatures they

667
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:09,340
might not put a lot of faith into you

668
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:11,770
running the local bank I wouldn't think

669
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:13,090
so I certainly wouldn't think

670
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:14,110
you want to put those people on the

671
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:17,260
police force either okay so we look at

672
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:20,140
the newspapers of the time now how far

673
00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:21,820
and why did these stories spread because

674
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:23,950
obviously we didn't have the worldwide

675
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:25,750
communication we had today so was it

676
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,300
confined just to the locality and the

677
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:31,120
regional area or a wider range what I

678
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:33,190
found interesting is the original

679
00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:36,010
accounts were only reported in the des

680
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:38,800
moines papers outside of that even the

681
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:41,530
county paper just ten miles north of Van

682
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Meter did not cover the story it was the

683
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,690
the Des Moines paper that did it then it

684
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:49,120
got picked up on what would be you know

685
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,610
The Associated Press today and it was

686
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:54,070
all over from New York all the way over

687
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,440
I even had a report of it in my local

688
00:30:00,660 --> 00:29:58,200
hometown paper of Eau Claire Wisconsin

689
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:00,670
but what I found interesting is that

690
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:03,610
although the reports basically rewrote

691
00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:06,310
the original article many times they got

692
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:09,160
the names mixed up they got the some of

693
00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:12,730
the witnesses interchanged so it wasn't

694
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:14,740
quite as accurate as we believe the

695
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:16,870
original article was that's an

696
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:18,430
interesting thing too because it makes

697
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:20,110
it more difficult to get to the source

698
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:20,950
information

699
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:23,470
so in general when it was picked up by

700
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:25,090
other newspapers and they embellished

701
00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:27,100
upon the original stories house so what

702
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,140
did they change well I think they made a

703
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:32,320
lot of the the sightings goofy what they

704
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:34,600
did with that has turned this terrifying

705
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:37,660
bat-like creature that by all means the

706
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:38,710
town of van Meter

707
00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:42,640
was in an uproar about into more of some

708
00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:44,440
of the drawings and the illustrations

709
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:47,380
give it more of a cartoonish fun bat

710
00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:50,410
look to it they also implied that the

711
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:52,540
town's folk have lost their minds or

712
00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:54,700
maybe they were taking too much

713
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:57,910
moonshine in so the typical jokes that

714
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:00,160
you kind of get when dealing with these

715
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,650
creature sightings even today little

716
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:04,960
green alien jokes and the whistling the

717
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:07,270
twilight zone theme yeah that was going

718
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,140
on back then you know 1903 that's what I

719
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:13,840
found a little bit discouraging is that

720
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:17,050
nobody took this report seriously and as

721
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:19,270
far as we've been able to tell there

722
00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:22,120
were no follow-up investigations into

723
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:24,280
the events that took place during this

724
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:25,980
week it's as though the

725
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:28,470
they recorded it in the article and then

726
00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:30,870
well good luck with that that isn't very

727
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:33,540
helpful but that's always a situation so

728
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:34,620
of course in looking up something like

729
00:31:37,159 --> 00:31:35,040
this

730
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:37,169
getting the newspaper clippings you can

731
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:40,950
get now do you contact the descendants

732
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:42,570
of the original witnesses to see if

733
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:44,490
there are Diaries or other paper trails

734
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:47,460
about this yes we try to find everybody

735
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:49,830
that's associated with either a witness

736
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:53,220
or even Townsville and we were able to

737
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:56,010
find some old-timers who obviously were

738
00:32:00,980 --> 00:31:58,290
not around during the sighting but they

739
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:00,990
were around early enough to know some of

740
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,540
the witnesses that they would remember

741
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:05,820
when they were kids that these men were

742
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,880
prominent men still in the community so

743
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:10,200
when we talked to some of these

744
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,410
old-timers in their 70s 80s and 90s they

745
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,080
could recall some of these witnesses and

746
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,960
vouch for how credible they were so that

747
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:21,360
was a plus on our side at least what

748
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:23,910
about things like Diaries as far as

749
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:27,929
today no diary has a surface no written

750
00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:31,470
report no journal no photographs nothing

751
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:33,390
but we're hoping now that the books out

752
00:32:38,659 --> 00:32:36,270
and we'll get a wider audience that

753
00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:38,669
somebody may be living in California

754
00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:41,040
that's a relative that we didn't find

755
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,070
may come forward for the next edition of

756
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:46,740
the book yeah we're hoping somebody had

757
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:49,410
to have written down the the occurrence

758
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:51,990
and a family lore or taken a photograph

759
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:55,290
of the town when it was in an uproar so

760
00:32:59,299 --> 00:32:57,059
we're hoping some of these things pop up

761
00:33:02,539 --> 00:32:59,309
and and they may they may not I've been

762
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:02,549
working on some cases for 20 years where

763
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,190
things still pop up every few years and

764
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:07,200
it's not closed yeah you know I'm gonna

765
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:10,049
ask you in passing of course in recent

766
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:11,490
shows we've talked a little bit about

767
00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:15,299
the supposed UFO crash in Astec New

768
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,400
Mexico but in that particular case

769
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:19,860
except for one or two witnesses found

770
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,169
over the years after the book from

771
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:24,240
Franks colon came out there are no local

772
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,580
people who remember anything no paper

773
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:28,919
trail or anything like that so that

774
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:31,049
makes it almost impossible and you're

775
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:32,610
dealing here with a case that goes back

776
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,280
110 years and there's still the

777
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,720
newspaper clippings they're still

778
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:39,600
relatives who remember the experiences

779
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:41,970
of their forebears yes that made it very

780
00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:45,210
difficult that we didn't have anyone to

781
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:48,390
talk to that could be an eyewitness we

782
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:50,130
didn't have any family members we didn't

783
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:52,410
have the smoking gun if you will luckily

784
00:33:58,340 --> 00:33:55,230
we did have the history of the town and

785
00:34:00,620 --> 00:33:58,350
that hadn't changed much including the

786
00:34:03,020 --> 00:34:00,630
location of the old abandoned coal mine

787
00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:03,030
that was thought to be the lair of this

788
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:05,520
creature or these creatures as it would

789
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:09,000
turn out to be creatures okay so there

790
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:11,399
were reports of more than one on the

791
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:14,490
very last night as the town is taking

792
00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:17,010
matters into their own hands and they're

793
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,109
gathering a posse together to

794
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:21,810
exterminate this beast they gather

795
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:23,899
around the old coal mine and they see

796
00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:26,429
this beast that they've been seeing all

797
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:29,100
week but now standing next to it is a

798
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,010
smaller identical-looking creature which

799
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:34,919
may have been the female gender of the

800
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:37,770
species or maybe an offspring one that

801
00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:40,290
wasn't reported but at least two that

802
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:43,409
were seen that evening the local brick

803
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:45,810
and tile factory workers who saw this

804
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,840
and heard it reported that it sounded

805
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,359
like Satan and his Emperor rising up

806
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:53,879
from Hell for battle leading me to

807
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,530
believe there may have been many many

808
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:57,660
more of these in that old abandoned mine

809
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,140
okay so you're saying here that at some

810
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:03,300
point in time the site was just up and

811
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:05,369
stopped after how long it was five

812
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,190
nights of sightings one week and that's

813
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,200
when the posse gathered out at the old

814
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:12,240
coal mine and when they saw these

815
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,490
creatures were coming and going and it

816
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:16,020
was reported that it looked like they

817
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:18,570
had been doing so for quite some time

818
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:20,850
the townsfolk got together and tried to

819
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:22,830
come up with the best plan to get rid of

820
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:25,500
these creatures to exterminate them to

821
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:28,920
hole up the dam of the old mine but much

822
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:30,150
like you know a true Hollywood

823
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:32,550
scriptwriter would write that's where it

824
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:34,410
ended the newspaper just said the town

825
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,630
was gathering looking for the best way

826
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:38,760
to combat these beasts and then is it

827
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,790
that's it no more communication on it so

828
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:44,400
suddenly after five nights where the

829
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:46,530
town is getting pretty upset over what's

830
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:48,570
going on where more than one creature is

831
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:51,660
seen it stops never ever ever to be

832
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,550
repeated again

833
00:35:57,610 --> 00:35:54,890
not that we know of nothing was ever

834
00:35:59,500 --> 00:35:57,620
reported again it may have been that it

835
00:36:02,020 --> 00:35:59,510
continued on for another week or a month

836
00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:02,030
or so but they never did another

837
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:04,550
newspaper article on it and I think the

838
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:06,500
townsfolk were pretty frightened at this

839
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:08,990
point because they gathered and while

840
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:11,630
they saw this creature emerge from the

841
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the depths of the coal mine the

842
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:16,790
newspaper said that the posse let off a

843
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:20,210
fire of bullets that could have sunk the

844
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Spanish fleet that's how many that they

845
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let off but again no problems whatsoever

846
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for the creatures they were immune

847
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invulnerable or something like that

848
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Chadli was talking about these

849
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Chris as you know will avoid trying to

949
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:25,920
sound like a winged creature of the

950
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night

951
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:28,710
okay the book is called a Van Meter

952
00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:31,380
visitor and we're talking to one of the

953
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,860
authors Chad Lewis now I'm kind of put

954
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:37,020
myself in your boots here for a moment

955
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:38,370
maybe our listeners would be interest in

956
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:41,130
this so you hear about this case you go

957
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,750
into this town you're trying to find out

958
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,700
something about it that they look on you

959
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:47,160
folks like some kind of weirdos what are

960
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:49,410
you asking about a monster for usually

961
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:51,300
that's the case when you make that cold

962
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:54,090
call saying hey I'm looking for a story

963
00:41:59,780 --> 00:41:56,730
from 1903 of this giant winged creature

964
00:42:02,330 --> 00:41:59,790
that terrorized your town luckily for us

965
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,340
the local librarian again Jelena Welker

966
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:05,280
said yeah I know of that story what do

967
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,410
you want to know and that's what was

968
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,660
amazing about this is that about half

969
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:12,240
the people that we talked with in the

970
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:14,550
town which were hundreds upon hundreds

971
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,250
they knew of it but not too much the

972
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:19,260
details were sketchy and the other half

973
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:21,900
simply had no idea what we were talking

974
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,880
about and they asked us several times

975
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:25,560
are you sure you have the right place

976
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:28,350
but when we went into the library and

977
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,650
talked with Jelena she said yeah I still

978
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:33,900
know the the old coal mine the owners of

979
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:35,970
that land now I can put you in touch

980
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,250
with them and that's exactly what she

981
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:40,500
did she was able to put us in touch with

982
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:43,470
the owners of the mine which still have

983
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:45,990
the land and it's still there so we were

984
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:48,210
excited thinking well if the creatures

985
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:50,580
not here at least the mine is still here

986
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,920
we were able to mount an expedition and

987
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:55,140
and go in there or is it all closed off

988
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,410
or it's on the farmers land the families

989
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:00,840
owned it since the early 1900s when it

990
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:04,770
basically was put down they closed up

991
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:08,520
the mine around the turn 1900 they

992
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:10,890
operated a brick and tile factory right

993
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:13,170
next door to that for a couple decades

994
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,050
more many of those buildings are still

995
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:17,880
there barely they're falling down

996
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:20,730
they're in disrepair but the mine itself

997
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:23,850
has been boarded up many many

998
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,950
generations here decades

999
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,079
and boarded up and mother nature has

1000
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:30,060
done the rest it covered it over with

1001
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:33,810
sand and grass where now if you didn't

1002
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,670
have a guide showing you right where the

1003
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,280
mine was you'd have no idea you would

1004
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:41,640
just think it was a hilly area and this

1005
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:45,240
mine was pretty big it went nearly 700

1006
00:43:49,819 --> 00:43:46,140
feet deep

1007
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:49,829
it had miles upon miles of tunnels where

1008
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:52,950
they would use mules down there on teams

1009
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:55,890
to haul out the coal it was one of the

1010
00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:58,410
biggest coal mines in Iowa and which is

1011
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:00,210
another surprise for people thinking

1012
00:44:06,589 --> 00:44:03,180
Iowa has coal mines but it was pretty

1013
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,599
huge but there's no no way back into

1014
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:09,300
those mines as of today sounds like

1015
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:12,780
great material for a screenplay this

1016
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:14,490
this has Hollywood written all over it

1017
00:44:19,579 --> 00:44:18,060
but now for for the people who you know

1018
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:19,589
haven't had the benefit of reading the

1019
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:21,570
book or in your case researching and

1020
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:24,390
writing it let's give the best general

1021
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:26,490
description that we have of the creature

1022
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:29,190
just so people can get a real good sort

1023
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:31,410
of minds eye view of it the best

1024
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:33,030
description we have came from a

1025
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:35,569
gentleman who was awoken by a gunshot

1026
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:38,130
which another man shot at the creature

1027
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:41,310
and instead of killing it it just beamed

1028
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,050
its light on him and released that

1029
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:45,540
strange odor and it wiped out his memory

1030
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,670
but the other gentleman across the

1031
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:50,160
street Sidney Gregg who was a respected

1032
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:52,680
businessman he got the best look at the

1033
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:54,780
the beasts he saw it ascending the

1034
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,240
telephone pole using its beak like a

1035
00:45:03,260 --> 00:44:59,640
parrot he said when it got to the ground

1036
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:03,270
it stood over eight feet tall and had

1037
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:06,420
these giant leather like featherless

1038
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,930
wings that had extended now at that same

1039
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:12,720
moment it had that blunt horn on its

1040
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,510
head that was shining a light it seemed

1041
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:18,359
to self-produced this light as it

1042
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:20,250
crouched down he thought it was going to

1043
00:45:25,579 --> 00:45:23,670
run through the town and then the volkl

1044
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,589
train came through and it seemed to

1045
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,200
spook the creature so he said it moved

1046
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:31,200
it hopped like a kangaroo as it ran

1047
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,060
through town and then simply kind of

1048
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:35,460
sailed off with this wings extended out

1049
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:37,470
toward the direction of the old coal

1050
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:38,540
mine so

1051
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:40,370
much like very similar to some of the

1052
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:42,110
Mothman sightings where people saw it

1053
00:45:47,350 --> 00:45:45,260
flying but not actually flapping its

1054
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:47,360
wings almost as though it had the power

1055
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:50,680
to fly just with this wings extended

1056
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:53,720
very fast question here is there a

1057
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,450
history in this community of other

1058
00:46:02,020 --> 00:45:58,880
strange events over the years or is this

1059
00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:02,030
a singular set of events it stands into

1060
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,630
itself

1061
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,030
well like much of Iowa during that time

1062
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:08,240
there were tons of haunted stories just

1063
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:09,950
about an hour and a half north they had

1064
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:11,030
a sea serpent

1065
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:13,370
actually in the Raccoon River which runs

1066
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:15,230
through Van Meter there was talk of

1067
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,390
there being a sea serpent there of

1068
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:20,000
course there were UFO reports around the

1069
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:22,700
same time period so it does seem to be a

1070
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:26,390
paranormal hotspot okay so I was saying

1071
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:28,190
we wouldn't be talking about UFOs but I

1072
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:31,310
guess we are all right so this appears

1073
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:32,840
to be a place where lots of events

1074
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:35,330
happen what about monsters creatures

1075
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:38,060
like that no not that we know of and

1076
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:40,670
most people are familiar in that area

1077
00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:44,330
with the traditional creatures the many

1078
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:46,280
people are hunters they're fishermen and

1079
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:48,860
fish or women they they know what's in

1080
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:51,380
the area you know they hunt bear they

1081
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:54,230
hunt deer quite a bit of course even

1082
00:46:59,200 --> 00:46:56,360
some turkey hunters there so people are

1083
00:47:01,060 --> 00:46:59,210
out in the woods it's very rural so I

1084
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:01,070
think that when people are out there

1085
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:03,710
they would recognize that this wasn't

1086
00:47:09,610 --> 00:47:06,230
what some people claim as it was a

1087
00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:09,620
pelican or just a winged bat or other

1088
00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:12,980
known animals that were misidentified so

1089
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:15,080
I think that's one thing too is the

1090
00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:17,110
townsfolk are pretty good about

1091
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:19,720
identifying animals so if something were

1092
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:22,310
coming out that was you know in the

1093
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:23,720
field of cryptozoology

1094
00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:25,550
they would certainly report it now

1095
00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:28,040
looking over the literature and I know

1096
00:47:32,410 --> 00:47:29,840
of course that Loren Coleman who was

1097
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:32,420
studied cryptozoology for many years

1098
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:34,970
made a very favorable comment about your

1099
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:37,610
work and that is if you look around the

1100
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:40,070
world do you find anything

1101
00:47:44,830 --> 00:47:42,110
like this particular creature close

1102
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:44,840
other than possibly Mothman yes

1103
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,670
actually when we started digging up

1104
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:49,280
these flying cryptids if you will these

1105
00:47:55,090 --> 00:47:52,310
bat-like creatures we had a report

1106
00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:55,100
around almost the same time of Utah

1107
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:58,670
where people were seeing this giant bat

1108
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:00,710
creature but it seemed to be even bigger

1109
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:03,710
than the VanMeter one as some said it

1110
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:06,410
was carrying off horses that's how big

1111
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,270
it was and there are a few newspaper

1112
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:10,880
accounts with an illustration of this

1113
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:13,790
giant bat creature you carrying off this

1114
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:15,710
horse were in its talons

1115
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:17,990
so this creature was reported of course

1116
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:19,670
we also bring up you know the

1117
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:22,250
snallygaster that was out on the East

1118
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:24,920
Coast some people have claimed it looks

1119
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:27,500
more or sounds like the Jersey Devil out

1120
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:30,290
in the Pine Barrens so there's a lot of

1121
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:32,150
similarities but yet again

1122
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,370
harkening back to the beginning that

1123
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,520
there's a lot of differences as well now

1124
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:39,470
the skeptics will say that the

1125
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:41,930
newspapers of the time were apt to make

1126
00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:44,750
up stories to gain circulation so they'd

1127
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,120
sit there they concoct reports of

1128
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:50,480
alleged creatures or whatever just to

1129
00:48:54,850 --> 00:48:53,120
get people to buy the paper yes and that

1130
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:54,860
happened quite a bit I've done several

1131
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:57,380
books on old newspaper accounts from the

1132
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:00,800
late 1800s Early 1900s and half the fun

1133
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:03,350
of some of these reports is to determine

1134
00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:05,900
whether or not you believe them when you

1135
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:08,120
hear of a case out of Wisconsin of a

1136
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:11,630
half human half monkey boy being born

1137
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,330
you start to think was it a slow day or

1138
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:16,720
did this really happen because back then

1139
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:20,450
no one could verify your work nobody was

1140
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:23,060
going to Google to make sure that you

1141
00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:25,940
were telling the truth so those reports

1142
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:29,600
did happen but usually they would make

1143
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:31,850
up a name of somebody in town that

1144
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:34,910
didn't exist it would never involve some

1145
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:37,430
of the most reputable people and include

1146
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:39,830
direct quotes from them so that's what I

1147
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:41,780
think this stood out about the VanMeter

1148
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:44,510
case is that it did have all these

1149
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:46,250
people that we could tie back to the

1150
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,850
town another interesting possible

1151
00:49:56,110 --> 00:49:51,760
correlation or similarity is to the

1152
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:56,120
rope'n in New Guinea which is a almost a

1153
00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:57,890
pterodactyl appearing flying creature

1154
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:00,980
but it also has some sort of self

1155
00:50:06,299 --> 00:50:04,850
illumination it glows and that that to

1156
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:06,309
me is an interesting correlation

1157
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,849
and the the rope'n are also I guess in

1158
00:50:13,769 --> 00:50:11,680
the tradition they're thought to be

1159
00:50:18,179 --> 00:50:13,779
grave robbers they dig up freshly

1160
00:50:19,499 --> 00:50:18,189
interred bodies as food tell us a little

1161
00:50:21,809 --> 00:50:19,509
bit more about you know I'm really

1162
00:50:25,709 --> 00:50:21,819
intrigued by this this glowing horn and

1163
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:25,719
the light beam and the noxious gas how

1164
00:50:30,929 --> 00:50:27,400
much do we know about that how many

1165
00:50:33,269 --> 00:50:30,939
actual victims were overcome by this

1166
00:50:35,939 --> 00:50:33,279
particular part of the of the equation

1167
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:35,949
as far as we know there were two

1168
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:38,140
instances where the creature released

1169
00:50:42,959 --> 00:50:40,329
this gas and I'm not sure if it did it

1170
00:50:45,329 --> 00:50:42,969
on purpose or if it was a defense

1171
00:50:48,269 --> 00:50:45,339
mechanism because both times and release

1172
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:48,279
that it was being shot at the first time

1173
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:50,410
released that was on Thursday night

1174
00:50:55,319 --> 00:50:52,930
Friday morning again 1:00 a.m. that's

1175
00:50:58,319 --> 00:50:55,329
when the local hardware store a store

1176
00:50:59,849 --> 00:50:58,329
owner Obie white took deliberate aim at

1177
00:51:02,489 --> 00:50:59,859
the creature that was sleeping on the

1178
00:51:04,349 --> 00:51:02,499
telephone pole he's shot at it thought

1179
00:51:06,299 --> 00:51:04,359
he hit it thought he killed it but

1180
00:51:08,489 --> 00:51:06,309
instead it just flashed its light on

1181
00:51:10,439 --> 00:51:08,499
Obie white and then released that odor

1182
00:51:13,439 --> 00:51:10,449
and Obie white said as soon as that

1183
00:51:15,689 --> 00:51:13,449
older hit him he remembered nothing more

1184
00:51:18,809 --> 00:51:15,699
of the evening that's interesting

1185
00:51:20,669 --> 00:51:18,819
question to this memory gas I'm gonna

1186
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:20,679
ask you when we get back after our break

1187
00:51:26,189 --> 00:51:23,140
whether after this memories white from

1188
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:26,199
these people whether it ever returns

1189
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,569
that's an interesting case we have Chad

1190
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,640
Lewis joining gene and Chris the

1191
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1209
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1210
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1239
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,029
here's Jane Steinberg cryptozoology

1240
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:15,599
strange creatures of the night what was

1241
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:19,420
the van Meter visitor with Chad Lewis

1242
00:54:23,459 --> 00:54:20,049
okay

1243
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:23,469
some people receive a dose of this gas

1244
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:25,930
or whatever this memory gas do they

1245
00:54:29,489 --> 00:54:28,150
ultimately retain or regain their

1246
00:54:31,469 --> 00:54:29,499
memories or is it one of those

1247
00:54:33,989 --> 00:54:31,479
situations where something may have

1248
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:33,999
happened they they never remember what

1249
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:36,430
well with Obie white the first man hit

1250
00:54:41,249 --> 00:54:38,650
by this gas we don't know he could have

1251
00:54:43,049 --> 00:54:41,259
remembered a few days later and wrote

1252
00:54:45,479 --> 00:54:43,059
about it or talked about it or he could

1253
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:45,489
have died without knowing what events

1254
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:47,380
took place after it hit him again

1255
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:50,529
another comparison to abductees in UFO

1256
00:54:55,799 --> 00:54:52,900
research is that oftentimes these

1257
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:55,809
abductees who have missing time as they

1258
00:55:00,839 --> 00:54:57,880
call it just patches of their memory

1259
00:55:03,779 --> 00:55:00,849
they can't recall often times over the

1260
00:55:05,939 --> 00:55:03,789
years even months after little pieces

1261
00:55:08,249 --> 00:55:05,949
start to come back whether they're

1262
00:55:10,769 --> 00:55:08,259
watching a show that reminds them of it

1263
00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,779
or they're reading a book or even a

1264
00:55:15,329 --> 00:55:12,789
dream that will start to piece the

1265
00:55:17,339 --> 00:55:15,339
memory back and they'll have these paths

1266
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,349
remembrances and start to piece it

1267
00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:19,839
together but as far as we know with this

1268
00:55:25,229 --> 00:55:22,900
mysterious older that did not occur so

1269
00:55:27,989 --> 00:55:25,239
they don't know what could have happened

1270
00:55:31,529 --> 00:55:27,999
after this truck now about this odorous

1271
00:55:33,749 --> 00:55:31,539
gas this amnesia substance or whatever

1272
00:55:36,269 --> 00:55:33,759
are there other cases of other monsters

1273
00:55:38,279 --> 00:55:36,279
where they also have this capability yes

1274
00:55:41,009 --> 00:55:38,289
of course there are cases where these

1275
00:55:44,489 --> 00:55:41,019
monsters release some type of a chemical

1276
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:44,499
or gas now many people will draw back to

1277
00:55:51,989 --> 00:55:47,890
the mad gasser of mattoon case where

1278
00:55:54,209 --> 00:55:51,999
this mysterious gas was released and

1279
00:55:56,189 --> 00:55:54,219
people were getting nauseous and sick

1280
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:56,199
but of course with the van Meter we

1281
00:55:59,849 --> 00:55:57,609
don't have any accounts of people

1282
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,859
getting sick which one of the theories

1283
00:56:05,309 --> 00:56:02,079
that we looked at was was this anything

1284
00:56:07,949 --> 00:56:05,319
more than mass hysteria did somebody see

1285
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,959
something a ball of light and then it

1286
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:09,200
just kind of

1287
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:11,480
llores through town over the next week

1288
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:14,030
where it turned into this giant bat

1289
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:17,090
creatures and one of the the hallmarks

1290
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:19,670
are the trademarks of mass hysteria is

1291
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:22,880
that people often have a sudden onset of

1292
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:25,850
physical ailments that accompanied mass

1293
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:27,770
hysteria and outside of the

1294
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:30,170
memory-wiping there were no physical

1295
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:32,180
ailments people weren't getting sick

1296
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,850
people weren't vomiting so it really

1297
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:37,040
doesn't fall into the mass hysteria in

1298
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:39,740
the traditional sense striking that you

1299
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:42,620
draw a resemblance or comparison to UFO

1300
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:44,660
abductions at least in the owl like

1301
00:56:48,850 --> 00:56:47,270
creatures there sometimes seem there so

1302
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:48,860
is it possible let's just raise that

1303
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:49,700
silly question

1304
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:52,310
is it possible at all that this VanMeter

1305
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:54,920
creature was not what it appears to be

1306
00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:58,970
but something to hide the memory of the

1307
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:01,460
real creature or entity or whatever yeah

1308
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:03,140
that's one of the theories out there and

1309
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:05,150
that's getting really bizarre and one of

1310
00:57:10,540 --> 00:57:07,190
the areas that I truly enjoy is that

1311
00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:10,550
maybe it was projecting this ability

1312
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:12,620
that other creatures seem to have that

1313
00:57:17,770 --> 00:57:15,230
you know shapeshifters or skin walkers

1314
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:17,780
or other accounts of these beasts that

1315
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:20,630
they may not actually be what they they

1316
00:57:25,870 --> 00:57:23,360
tend to be now throwing it even further

1317
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:25,880
into disarray is the fact that many

1318
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:28,670
towns folk today in VanMeter believed

1319
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:31,070
that the creature wasn't some type of

1320
00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:33,950
bat but it was the devil itself that was

1321
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,380
coming up from the mines or from Hell

1322
00:57:41,110 --> 00:57:38,960
that they thought it was a demon or a

1323
00:57:44,820 --> 00:57:41,120
devil based on the account

1324
00:57:48,010 --> 00:57:44,830
so we're spanning the entire spectrum of

1325
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:48,020
various things this thing could be okay

1326
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:50,510
that raises more of a religious kind of

1327
00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:53,060
specter doesn't it it certainly does and

1328
00:57:59,230 --> 00:57:56,420
we can assume that the people 1903 held

1329
00:58:01,210 --> 00:57:59,240
religion very close at that time there

1330
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,220
were several churches that were in

1331
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:03,440
operation that are still an operation in

1332
00:58:08,070 --> 00:58:05,810
VanMeter so we know these people

1333
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,080
probably would have looked at it as a

1334
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,880
hideous sign of something that was not

1335
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:13,520
good for the community and I bet many of

1336
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:15,380
them did think it was a demon or the

1337
00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:18,080
devil any indication of how how this was

1338
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:20,180
taken in a spiritual sense were there

1339
00:58:23,259 --> 00:58:22,550
any blessings or was there any mention

1340
00:58:25,509 --> 00:58:23,269
of

1341
00:58:28,929 --> 00:58:25,519
clerics or priests or ministers becoming

1342
00:58:31,089 --> 00:58:28,939
involved to to either work on getting

1343
00:58:32,829 --> 00:58:31,099
rid of the creatures or administrating

1344
00:58:35,049 --> 00:58:32,839
to the you know to the people who

1345
00:58:36,999 --> 00:58:35,059
obviously would be a little a little

1346
00:58:39,789 --> 00:58:37,009
freaked out I would imagine do we have

1347
00:58:41,769 --> 00:58:39,799
any indication that they look what what

1348
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:41,779
would it be the liturgy was involved not

1349
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:44,630
that we know of again it probably

1350
00:58:49,689 --> 00:58:46,249
happened and that's an excellent point

1351
00:58:51,909 --> 00:58:49,699
but what I found truly fascinating is

1352
00:58:54,009 --> 00:58:51,919
that the newspaper doesn't talk about

1353
00:58:56,289 --> 00:58:54,019
any spiritual leaders or religious

1354
00:58:58,569 --> 00:58:56,299
leaders what it talks about is the towns

1355
00:59:00,669 --> 00:58:58,579
folk went to the men of science they

1356
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:00,679
went to the local principal who was

1357
00:59:05,469 --> 00:59:02,569
thought to be one of the most highly

1358
00:59:08,649 --> 00:59:05,479
educated people in Iowa and he called it

1359
00:59:12,130 --> 00:59:08,659
an antediluvian this creature of you

1360
00:59:14,439 --> 00:59:12,140
know early times this ancient beast that

1361
00:59:17,799 --> 00:59:14,449
walked the earth so instead of turning

1362
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:17,809
to the church they simply turned to

1363
00:59:23,049 --> 00:59:20,630
science which was a bit unheard of back

1364
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:23,059
that kind of sounds like a Lovecraft

1365
00:59:27,759 --> 00:59:25,729
short story or something yeah one of the

1366
00:59:29,319 --> 00:59:27,769
things is that many people said this had

1367
00:59:32,049 --> 00:59:29,329
to have been a hoax it's just too

1368
00:59:34,839 --> 00:59:32,059
bizarre that but it was touching on

1369
00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:34,849
things that would come into UFO research

1370
00:59:39,579 --> 00:59:35,630
and folklore

1371
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:39,589
60 years later so if this was created by

1372
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:42,049
the author of the original news article

1373
00:59:46,359 --> 00:59:44,209
he was way ahead of his time and should

1374
00:59:49,419 --> 00:59:46,369
have been writing movies or radio or

1375
00:59:52,749 --> 00:59:49,429
something because he was a fascinating

1376
00:59:55,089 --> 00:59:52,759
teller of scary tales where I've had

1377
00:59:57,279 --> 00:59:55,099
many people say this really should be a

1378
00:59:59,739 --> 00:59:57,289
movie because it's just that bizarre

1379
01:00:02,979 --> 00:59:59,749
well they made the Mothman Prophecies

1380
01:00:05,229 --> 01:00:02,989
into a movie although it was of mixed

1381
01:00:07,899 --> 01:00:05,239
quality and mixed success

1382
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,909
but since the questions raised here now

1383
01:00:11,649 --> 01:00:10,880
in the case of the Mothman in West

1384
01:00:14,529 --> 01:00:11,659
Virginia

1385
01:00:16,989 --> 01:00:14,539
its appearance seemed to almost predict

1386
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:16,999
or herald the crash of the Silver Bridge

1387
01:00:22,689 --> 01:00:19,459
was there a bridge or any other natural

1388
01:00:24,669 --> 01:00:22,699
disaster involved in this part of Iowa

1389
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:24,679
because of the similarities with the

1390
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:28,249
Mothman reporting's with us one of the

1391
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:30,609
things we started looking looking for is

1392
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:34,130
tragedies mishaps misfortunes either

1393
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:36,660
prior or directly or direct

1394
01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:38,970
after the sightings of the visitor and

1395
01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:42,150
we were unable to find them the town did

1396
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:44,369
burn down but that was nearly a decade

1397
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:46,770
after the last reported sighting of

1398
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:49,410
these creatures and we don't know if

1399
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:52,049
these creatures remained in the mine for

1400
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:55,770
days or decades or if they found another

1401
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:58,770
escape and they went to the West

1402
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:01,680
Virginia or somewhere else we don't know

1403
01:01:06,859 --> 01:01:04,260
but that was one of the correlations we

1404
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:06,869
wanted to look at is that this this

1405
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,240
evidence of tragedy that we just were

1406
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:11,220
unable to find as of yet

1407
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:15,450
now even assuming that somebody made up

1408
01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:18,599
some of this story that the details of

1409
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:21,030
something were embellished how does one

1410
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:23,250
get to the core event because that makes

1411
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:25,770
it all the more complicated and it was

1412
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:27,660
complicated because the day after this

1413
01:01:32,539 --> 01:01:29,160
appeared in one of the Des Moines

1414
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:32,549
newspaper it was reported the next day

1415
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:35,250
in a rival paper where they said these

1416
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,900
reports were happening but they were

1417
01:01:41,420 --> 01:01:39,180
greatly exaggerated they didn't go into

1418
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,430
detail they said yes people have seen

1419
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:43,740
mysterious lights yes the banker did

1420
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:45,770
shoot out the front window of his Bank

1421
01:01:52,279 --> 01:01:49,859
shooting at some winged figure but yet

1422
01:01:54,620 --> 01:01:52,289
they're still embellished so we have

1423
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:54,630
that - that through a little cold water

1424
01:01:59,480 --> 01:01:57,690
on this case that wasn't somebody in

1425
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,490
town who was upset with all the

1426
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:01,920
attention that the town was getting or

1427
01:02:06,529 --> 01:02:03,960
was it really something that was

1428
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:06,539
embellished and again this is just one

1429
01:02:11,539 --> 01:02:09,000
of the numerous unanswered questions we

1430
01:02:13,220 --> 01:02:11,549
have about this case but they haven't

1431
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:13,230
made a tourist attraction it's not like

1432
01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:16,170
Roswell New Mexico or Aztec New Mexico

1433
01:02:21,769 --> 01:02:19,380
they're not saying VanMeter home of the

1434
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:21,779
visitor that's exactly true they've

1435
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:25,170
never done that in fact unfortunately

1436
01:02:29,269 --> 01:02:26,970
when you go there there won't be

1437
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:29,279
anything to remind you of the creature

1438
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:31,260
now that's changing now that the books

1439
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:34,500
come out but before when we went there

1440
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:37,140
there were no cutouts of the the monster

1441
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:38,430
the visitor where you could put your

1442
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:40,710
head in there there was no Mothman

1443
01:02:46,339 --> 01:02:43,230
statue like there is in Point Pleasant

1444
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:46,349
there were no billboards and murals of

1445
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:47,579
the creature it was

1446
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,380
really if it wasn't forgotten it was

1447
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:51,839
simply brushed off so that was another

1448
01:02:56,779 --> 01:02:53,609
indication that the people of Van Meter

1449
01:02:58,519 --> 01:02:56,789
in 1903 wanted nothing to do with this

1450
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:58,529
story getting out they weren't looking

1451
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,099
at it to draw tourists then much like in

1452
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:03,839
my home state of Wisconsin when they

1453
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:07,140
came up with the Hodag this mystical

1454
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:09,690
beast that terrorized the Northwoods

1455
01:03:14,989 --> 01:03:12,569
forest that was put together to draw

1456
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:14,999
tourists in where that wasn't the case

1457
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:16,950
in Van Meter ouch

1458
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:19,140
well at least it's promising anyway that

1459
01:03:23,479 --> 01:03:21,420
they're trying to do something yeah I

1460
01:03:25,699 --> 01:03:23,489
bet you the Visitor Center could really

1461
01:03:28,579 --> 01:03:25,709
be looking impressive if they did a

1462
01:03:31,339 --> 01:03:28,589
number on the van Meter visitor they

1463
01:03:33,529 --> 01:03:31,349
could dress up the helpers in there and

1464
01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:33,539
like bat costumes or something I'll tell

1465
01:03:37,309 --> 01:03:34,829
you what you're giving them some ideas

1466
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:37,319
Chris we have Chad Lewis joining us with

1467
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:41,020
gene and Chris you're in yes

1468
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:51,180
attack of the rock ODEs has been

1469
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:52,930
well-received by critics and readers

1470
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:54,850
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1471
01:04:00,030 --> 01:03:57,730
you'll never forget a former US military

1472
01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:00,040
intelligence officer is haunted by

1473
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:02,320
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1474
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:04,960
pleading for his help after a terrible

1475
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:07,720
battle in outer space but the dreams

1476
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:09,850
turn out to be true and thrust him into

1477
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:11,830
a telepathic love affair with a woman

1478
01:04:16,859 --> 01:04:14,530
whose faraway planet is intent on

1479
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:16,869
destroying the earth and now the

1480
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gripping tale continues in but coming of

1481
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1482
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1484
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1485
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threaten the lives of freedom loving

1486
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1487
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1564
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Chris I don't want to say any more about

1565
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:18,490
it

1566
01:08:29,579 --> 01:08:26,050
fascinating book Chad Lewis one of the

1567
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co-authors now in going out there doing

1568
01:08:35,190 --> 01:08:32,920
your research Chad did you feel you

1569
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:35,200
encountered evidence of a genuine event

1570
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:37,750
or is that jury's still out as I said

1571
01:08:41,610 --> 01:08:39,850
before when I first got this case I

1572
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,620
thought this is going to be a lot of fun

1573
01:08:46,860 --> 01:08:44,080
but it's going to be short we're going

1574
01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:46,870
to solve this within a couple days it'll

1575
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:49,390
be no problem it was either a practical

1576
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:52,990
joke or a hoaxster or something that was

1577
01:08:57,690 --> 01:08:55,000
going on that wasn't this creature but

1578
01:08:59,250 --> 01:08:57,700
as we dug deeper and deeper into this

1579
01:09:02,970 --> 01:08:59,260
case we were left with more questions

1580
01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:02,980
than answers and we started ruling out

1581
01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:05,680
some of these possibilities of people

1582
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:08,140
saying that it was a robber that it

1583
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:09,970
really was somebody trying to rob the

1584
01:09:15,420 --> 01:09:13,089
bank and the hardware store and such but

1585
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:15,430
on several different nights people shot

1586
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:18,070
at this thing whether you're the most

1587
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:20,290
die-hard robber in the world I would

1588
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:22,390
assume that after several nights in a

1589
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:25,210
row of getting shot at by shotguns with

1590
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:28,390
buckshot and immense proportioned guns

1591
01:09:33,599 --> 01:09:30,339
that you would probably go to another

1592
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:33,609
town to start robbing so that many other

1593
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:35,410
things led me to believe that it wasn't

1594
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:38,560
a practical joke or a robber that was

1595
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:40,930
causing this it had to be something else

1596
01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:43,630
now what that something else is that's

1597
01:09:47,790 --> 01:09:45,640
the million dollar question yeah it's

1598
01:09:49,650 --> 01:09:47,800
some questionable mushroom soup possibly

1599
01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:49,660
in the diner yeah that's one of the

1600
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:51,580
things we looked at again that maybe

1601
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:54,730
this was all just people going out of

1602
01:09:59,610 --> 01:09:56,770
their way to create this this mass

1603
01:10:01,680 --> 01:09:59,620
hysteria in a sense then that's

1604
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:01,690
something you can never rule out until

1605
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:04,570
you know we have somebody's diary of it

1606
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:06,970
or their journal that pinpoints it

1607
01:10:10,930 --> 01:10:09,580
directly or I would assume somebody took

1608
01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:10,940
a picture of the banks

1609
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:12,700
window that was shot out by the

1610
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:15,410
terrified bank teller as he tried to

1611
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:17,210
protect the town's money from this

1612
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:20,450
creature so until those things find

1613
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:22,820
their way to us we might just never know

1614
01:10:28,270 --> 01:10:25,610
you know who knows it could have been a

1615
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:28,280
outbreak of right here got poisoning and

1616
01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:30,680
maybe somebody had bad rye bread in the

1617
01:10:38,050 --> 01:10:33,680
morning and then boom they got hit with

1618
01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:38,060
all kinds of psychedelic images I mean

1619
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:39,980
anything's possible I mean that happened

1620
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:42,410
in the 50s in France where a whole town

1621
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:44,930
was poisoned by naturally occurring LSD

1622
01:10:48,730 --> 01:10:47,150
on rye mold so you know I'm not saying

1623
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:48,740
that's what happened here but you can't

1624
01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:50,570
you can't rule anything out or anything

1625
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,340
in until you've done as much research

1626
01:10:57,780 --> 01:10:54,560
and digging as possible speaking of

1627
01:10:59,920 --> 01:10:57,790
digging have there ever been any sort of

1628
01:11:03,040 --> 01:10:59,930
indications that the mine was ever

1629
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:03,050
explored by people of the time or or

1630
01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:06,110
later on I have someone here on the

1631
01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:08,750
podcast format forum dr. Peric ascom

1632
01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:11,060
who's volunteering to do some spelunking

1633
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:12,710
to go look for these things maybe

1634
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:13,910
they're still down there and they have

1635
01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:16,130
another way out that's exactly what we

1636
01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:18,140
thought now the owner of the land his

1637
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:20,660
family has owned it for a long time he's

1638
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:23,110
an older gentleman and he's one of those

1639
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,540
stereotypical farmer ranchers there's no

1640
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:29,120
nonsense type of guide you wouldn't

1641
01:11:34,150 --> 01:11:31,060
think would get spooked by anything so

1642
01:11:36,220 --> 01:11:34,160
when he took us on a private tour of the

1643
01:11:38,380 --> 01:11:36,230
land you know I don't think he even

1644
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:38,390
believes the story but he did tell us

1645
01:11:42,370 --> 01:11:40,310
that when he was a kid

1646
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:42,380
him and his relatives were afraid of

1647
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:44,360
playing around the old mine where it

1648
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:47,390
once was and he had no idea why he was

1649
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:49,730
frightened by this just he picked up a

1650
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:52,010
sense that something wasn't right about

1651
01:11:56,410 --> 01:11:54,230
this and they didn't want to play there

1652
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,420
and again this threw me back because I

1653
01:12:01,180 --> 01:11:59,120
had no idea that again he would be

1654
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:01,190
spooked by anything he was that farmer

1655
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:02,840
that looked like he had seen everything

1656
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:04,910
in life and I asked him what he thought

1657
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:07,610
about opening it up and going down there

1658
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:10,610
and he was interested not only to see if

1659
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:12,440
the creatures were still there but what

1660
01:12:16,570 --> 01:12:14,870
other remnants were still down there did

1661
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:16,580
they still have some of these these

1662
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:18,710
carts and buggies that were down there

1663
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:21,290
all the old mining equipment I think if

1664
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:23,480
he ever got the insurance to open it up

1665
01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:24,110
he'd

1666
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:29,060
you enter a room and there's all these

1667
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,010
pods on the ground that are starting to

1668
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:33,440
open up you might get a face sucker like

1669
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:34,190
an alien

1670
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:36,410
yeah that's time to retreat that as well

1671
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:38,270
did what do what the rest of the

1672
01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:40,280
VanMeter people didn't just retreat into

1673
01:12:45,940 --> 01:12:42,950
the safety of the building how long did

1674
01:12:50,050 --> 01:12:45,950
this mine survive it went another decade

1675
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:50,060
about nobody quite is sure again back

1676
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:52,550
then the small town unlike any other

1677
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:55,430
place I've investigated simply did not

1678
01:12:59,710 --> 01:12:57,530
have a lot of Records as almost as

1679
01:13:02,530 --> 01:12:59,720
though they were trying to get rid of

1680
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:02,540
the town history maybe that's part of

1681
01:13:06,730 --> 01:13:04,910
the whole conspiracy theory that they

1682
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:06,740
wanted to get rid of this case or never

1683
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:08,840
talk about it so they didn't write it

1684
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:11,390
down but we do have one piece of

1685
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:13,400
evidence that would make us think that

1686
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:16,250
it wasn't all imaginary that the night

1687
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:19,250
at 1:00 a.m. when the bank manager shot

1688
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:21,560
out the front window the next morning he

1689
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:24,110
was expecting to go out to find the body

1690
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,020
of this burglar or the creature or at

1691
01:13:31,570 --> 01:13:29,360
least some blood or some feathers

1692
01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:31,580
something that would indicate that he

1693
01:13:36,460 --> 01:13:33,830
had shot something of flesh and blood

1694
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:36,470
but he found nothing but as he searched

1695
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:39,110
around his building he found a series of

1696
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:43,040
these giant three-toed claws in the dirt

1697
01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:45,770
and he actually made a plaster cast at

1698
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:48,260
least one that we know of of these

1699
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:51,290
three-toed footprints or claw prints but

1700
01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:53,510
what happened to that plaster cast we

1701
01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:55,640
don't know I always like to say it might

1702
01:13:58,030 --> 01:13:57,470
be in one of your listeners attics right

1703
01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:58,040
now

1704
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,630
I can't wait well if we have any

1705
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:01,040
listeners in Van Meter

1706
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:04,640
Iowa tell us what's going on maybe you

1707
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:07,100
have a grandma in grandfather to live

1708
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:10,750
there 110 years ago check the attic and

1709
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:13,460
wait wouldn't it be neat to uncover that

1710
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:14,480
of course would be difficult to

1711
01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:18,530
authenticate it but give us give us a

1712
01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:20,240
little bit more of a sense I mean you

1713
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:21,800
you mentioned the article said the

1714
01:14:26,710 --> 01:14:24,260
townspeople gathered almost like chasing

1715
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:26,720
the monster Frankenstein with torches

1716
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,600
and pitchforks and stuff but but do we

1717
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:31,040
have a sense of how many people actually

1718
01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:34,610
were rallied out there to go and and

1719
01:14:40,209 --> 01:14:36,860
confront this creature do

1720
01:14:42,729 --> 01:14:40,219
have a sense of the mood of the crowd I

1721
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,739
mean obviously if you're really in fear

1722
01:14:46,899 --> 01:14:44,239
of something you're not gonna go out and

1723
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:46,909
try to track it down even with a another

1724
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,670
group of people do you have a sense have

1725
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:51,440
you gotten any additional information

1726
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:53,750
besides the the original news news

1727
01:15:00,399 --> 01:14:56,780
account yes we know that directly next

1728
01:15:03,879 --> 01:15:00,409
door to the old mine was a very highly

1729
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:03,889
operable and highly profitable brick and

1730
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,040
tile factory that employed dozens and

1731
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:10,159
dozens of men around the clock to make

1732
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,190
these bricks and tiles and when they

1733
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,920
went out to the old mine we assumed that

1734
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,840
most of them had gathered they had

1735
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:20,000
talked about a posse in the dozens it

1736
01:15:24,370 --> 01:15:22,130
may have reached close to a hundred we

1737
01:15:26,530 --> 01:15:24,380
don't know but it was at least several

1738
01:15:28,570 --> 01:15:26,540
dozen of these people and I think the

1739
01:15:31,109 --> 01:15:28,580
image you bring up about the towns folk

1740
01:15:35,109 --> 01:15:31,119
you know with the torches and pitchforks

1741
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:35,119
was very apt here that I think the

1742
01:15:39,129 --> 01:15:37,250
town's folk by this time they were fed

1743
01:15:41,109 --> 01:15:39,139
up with this creature it had been

1744
01:15:43,689 --> 01:15:41,119
terrorizing their town piece by piece

1745
01:15:46,090 --> 01:15:43,699
throughout the week where even though

1746
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:46,100
they were deadly afraid of it they had

1747
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,170
no choice but to gather around

1748
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:51,199
in 1903 you couldn't call for backup

1749
01:15:55,540 --> 01:15:53,570
nobody was going to come and protect you

1750
01:15:57,609 --> 01:15:55,550
and I think that's what these men were

1751
01:16:00,459 --> 01:15:57,619
doing trying to protect their families

1752
01:16:02,290 --> 01:16:00,469
and they said if this creature instead

1753
01:16:04,419 --> 01:16:02,300
of it just coming in night after night

1754
01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:04,429
let's go out and meet it head-on and

1755
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,190
face the consequences so maybe those

1756
01:16:12,189 --> 01:16:08,960
scenes we saw in the old Frankenstein

1757
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:12,199
movies where the mob is out with the

1758
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fire and the torches and the knives and

1759
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the guns in search of the vicious

1760
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creature well they were based on things

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that really happened it's small towns

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powered poultry plucker now we have Chad

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Lewis co-author of the van Meter visitor

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joining gene and Chris a little segue

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from our discussion and will get back to

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the monsters you've been studying

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paranormal events for a number of years

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tell us more about your background in

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research and why you got involved in the

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first place personal encounters I wish

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yes

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I've been researching the strange and

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unusual for a little over 20 years now

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and I blame it on my home state of

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Wisconsin because I grew up in a town

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not too far from one of the three UFO

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capitals of the world that we have in

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our state we have three cities that all

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claim to be the UFO capital of the world

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so when I was in high school I started

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traveling to Elmwood Wisconsin to hear

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what these people were seeing why dozens

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upon dozens of people were seeing

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mysterious lights and crafts in the sky

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so I started talking with them and

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interviewing

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these witnesses and this was national

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news back then so when I started

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studying psychology at the University I

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was really interested in why certain

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people believe in the strange and

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unusual when others do not and I started

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presenting as an undergraduate

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this research at research symposiums

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and it was at that time very statistical

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based stuff very boring you're glad you

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weren't there but people in the audience

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would come up afterward and say I know

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this isn't quite what you're doing but I

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think my home's haunted or I saw

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something in the woods I can explain

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could you help me investigate and back

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then not a lot of people were doing it

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so I said sure I'll help you out and

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that kind of just spiraled from there

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and when I started graduate school I

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actually was able to do my master's

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thesis looking at students beliefs in

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the paranormal oh that's interesting

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tell me more about your day experience

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you have a day job we assume you don't

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go around all over the country just

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looking at that paranormal events you

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know like Chris or me yeah actually when

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I finished grad school I had a real

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career I call it where I was doing grant

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writing for a non-profit and that's when

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we started doing these road guides a

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co-author and myself two haunted places

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we started with our state of Wisconsin

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that basically road maps on how to get

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to these places what to expect sorting

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the fat from fiction and it basically

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started branching out to other states

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where Minnesota Iowa South Dakota where

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it got to be so much travel that I had

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to say well I have to do one or the

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other so about six years ago I decided

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that I was going to just travel the

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world looking for these creatures and

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then write about them and lecture on

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them so that's what I've been doing for

1945
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the last six years exclusively and I

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always say maybe I'll get back to a real

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career someday but this is just too

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bizarre right now so it did become your

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day job yes not by you no choice almost

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just out of sheer luck a lucky fortune

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if you will that you know when I was in

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grad

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school I never thought that this would

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be something that you could pursue on a

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daily basis I thought it would be

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something people contact you yes it's

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fun to investigate these things but like

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99% of the field you would have a career

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and this would be your second career you

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do other stuff during the day and be a

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psychologist should be a teacher

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you'd be a bricklayer or whatever and

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then you chase flying saucers or some of

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us were reporters like myself and

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another person I know if you've ever

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heard of him Kurtz udderly who's done a

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lot of Investigations in Pennsylvania

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and right now he's actually a public

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information person for I think the Air

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Force if he still has the job but he

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worked for a daily newspaper he was a

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freelance writer and I was a broadcast

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journalist and that's how I got involved

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in chasing strange creatures so there

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you go so then I after yet cared are

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they what would you do if you saw

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something like this do you have

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equipment with you when you go on these

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trips to do research just in case

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something weird happens yes that was one

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of the things that we debated to no end

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of you know did we have the same weapon

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hubris that they had that we thought if

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we brought our weapons and modern

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equipment and technology we would be

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able to capture it kill it document and

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etc like they did they thought oh we

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have a shotgun with blasting you know

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with the pellet we have high high rifles

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and pistols that will be able to kill it

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so we thought the same thing but we

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brought traditional weapons and then on

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traditional weapons more of the the New

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Age if you will that some of the people

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that came with us wanted to be smudged

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with a sage and other protectants so I

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think we tried to cover the whole

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spectrum of both supernatural type

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weapons that some of the people that we

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brought with us put some belief in and

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then also your traditional guns knives

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weapons of that nature

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do you subscribe to the theory that

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there are indeed window or portal areas

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or anomalies to use what they say in to

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certain TV shows

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strange creatures or anything even UFOs

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can wink in and wink out from one

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reality to another yeah that was one of

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the theories that we looked at not only

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with the visitor but other cases that

2012
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there just seems to be so much happening

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and no residual evidence left behind

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that maybe these things you know as

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they're known as ultra terrestrials or

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interdimensional or tapas we don't know

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but I certainly lean to that possibility

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whenever I'm asked you know what

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research or methods do you try to use

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and what do you stay away from I always

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say when you're dealing with the weird

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what's too weird that people always say

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oh you should be using that method well

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what if it works we don't know again I'm

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left with more questions than answers on

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a lot of these things so it's like

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having a weird ratio

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well I always I always have loved the

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hunter s Thompson adage that it when the

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going gets weird the weird turned pro

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yeah yeah colleague of mine Rick Hendrix

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always says when the weird when you go

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looking for the weird the weird comes

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looking for you boy do I know about that

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okay so let's look further into your

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explorations here any other really

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fascinating cases in VanMeter obviously

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there were other things being seen but

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can you focus on anything that they had

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that was anything near as weird as this

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one again not that we know of this was

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definitely the weirdest thing they had

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ever encountered and if there were UFO

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sightings at the same exact time of this

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creature outside of this ball of light

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maybe it was the the creature because it

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could produce the light maybe it was a

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craft of some sort or just uh you know

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willow of the wisp type light we don't

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know but outside of that we don't know

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of other strange things happening we

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don't know if anyone else was reporting

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strange dreams or possession or anything

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01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:36,050
else again until some of the surfaces

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all we have to go on where the original

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newspaper accounts we can speculate but

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that's all it is

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how about five or six years before what

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was the closest great airship sighting

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to the Des Moines area on the late

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18-hundreds 1896 97 flap of these

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airships that you know really were

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reported all over the US and then it

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continued on we have some from 1905 1906

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from that area not only Des Moines but

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Iowa City and Fort Dodge area so they

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were all over of course we have to

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remember that the early 1900s was the

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time of the the spiritualist movement

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was really at full force then of you

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know the belief that people could

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communicate with the deceased through

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seances and other means where people

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would get together on weekends and have

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these seances and try to connect with

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their loved ones and this was also a

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time when science was just starting to

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really gather steam and what I mean by

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that is when people heard of an

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eight-foot giant bat creature in their

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backyards of an meter they were also

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reading about the mountain gorillas

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being discovered so they probably

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01:29:54,850 --> 01:29:53,060
thought to themselves well I don't think

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01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:54,860
it's that weird that there's a giant bat

2086
01:29:58,930 --> 01:29:56,810
here there's a giant gorilla in the

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jungles you know what's the difference

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so I think they may have taken it with

2089
01:30:07,570 --> 01:30:04,489
more a harder look at it being credible

2090
01:30:09,790 --> 01:30:07,580
than we do today it sounded like they

2091
01:30:12,490 --> 01:30:09,800
would accept it as something that just

2092
01:30:15,580 --> 01:30:12,500
sort of happens really weird the book is

2093
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called the van Meter visitor a true and

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mysterious encounter with the unknown

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certainly if it happened to me if I saw

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that I'd be moving very very fast in the

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other direction Chad Lewis continues

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what more questions from our listeners

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coming up with gene and Chris you're in

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2197
01:35:02,310 --> 01:34:59,480
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2198
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listening to the para cast

2199
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this is a fast-moving evening with Chad

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Lewis joining us for the first time in

2201
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the power cast to talk about the van

2202
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Meter a visitor Chris there were some

2203
01:35:21,670 --> 01:35:19,310
questions we didn't have a lot of time

2204
01:35:24,189 --> 01:35:21,680
to post them for my listeners about his

2205
01:35:26,410 --> 01:35:24,199
research can you dig up a few um yeah

2206
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,420
we've addressed a few but there's

2207
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:28,400
there's one you mentioned the mad gasser

2208
01:35:33,250 --> 01:35:30,320
at Mattoon that's that has always

2209
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:33,260
fascinated me and I do have a question

2210
01:35:41,050 --> 01:35:37,489
here from one of our participants at

2211
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:41,060
forum dr. Peric ascom this one comes

2212
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:44,449
from one of our newest Sinese LED

2213
01:35:51,370 --> 01:35:48,410
bombette who has 24 posts here at the

2214
01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:51,380
forecast podcast for him any chance this

2215
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:53,030
creature might have been something akin

2216
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:55,850
to Spring Heeled Jack or pear act the

2217
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:58,400
spring Man of Prague Spring Heeled Jack

2218
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,080
and Parekh were human-like creatures the

2219
01:36:05,229 --> 01:36:02,000
war what was possibly a costume and

2220
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:05,239
seemed to have superhuman abilities also

2221
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,610
she notes the strange smell that

2222
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:09,440
disoriented witnesses in the wave of

2223
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:11,420
sightings is a bit reminiscent of the

2224
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:14,090
mad gasser Mateen he did mention that

2225
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:17,449
before but let's we address some of the

2226
01:36:21,550 --> 01:36:19,880
similarities between the two cases even

2227
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:21,560
though obviously she she points out they

2228
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:24,110
were separated by many years yeah and I

2229
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:25,610
find that interesting with the mad

2230
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:27,770
gasser in Spring Heeled Jack that people

2231
01:36:33,580 --> 01:36:30,560
said it may have been a human dressed up

2232
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,590
in costume or trying to portray itself

2233
01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:36,800
as more terrifying and frightening you

2234
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,300
know so people weren't able to identify

2235
01:36:44,530 --> 01:36:40,719
it and that's certainly a possibility

2236
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,540
here but as far as we know those who saw

2237
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:47,600
it were convinced that it wasn't human

2238
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:50,870
at least not completely they described

2239
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:54,680
as half-human half-animal and it you

2240
01:36:58,090 --> 01:36:56,360
know the spring-heeled Jack many of the

2241
01:37:01,090 --> 01:36:58,100
illustrations of what it was thought to

2242
01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:01,100
be had these wing like things to it but

2243
01:37:06,130 --> 01:37:03,190
they almost seemed like cloth or

2244
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:06,140
something man-made whereas this creature

2245
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:09,710
by all accounts seemed to be you know a

2246
01:37:15,550 --> 01:37:11,780
flesh-and-blood creature whether it was

2247
01:37:17,890 --> 01:37:15,560
in a giant owl or a whooping crane or a

2248
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:17,900
pelican or something else people

2249
01:37:23,229 --> 01:37:20,960
believed that it was an animal not

2250
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:23,239
not a person but with the mad gasser

2251
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:27,080
mattoon of course the the gas is a

2252
01:37:33,459 --> 01:37:30,800
similarity the order but that's about

2253
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:33,469
yeah even though people did claim in

2254
01:37:38,110 --> 01:37:35,300
Mattoon that this creature was able to

2255
01:37:41,229 --> 01:37:38,120
move at great speeds that a human would

2256
01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:41,239
have difficulty to replicate and that

2257
01:37:45,459 --> 01:37:43,190
was the same with the the visitor when

2258
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:45,469
it moved and moved like a very fast

2259
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:48,710
kangaroo you know very very similar to

2260
01:37:53,650 --> 01:37:51,770
what Chupacabra sightings have have

2261
01:37:56,979 --> 01:37:53,660
detailed just in the last thing I know

2262
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:56,989
Chris that our listener is a museum

2263
01:38:02,680 --> 01:37:59,600
professional ah oh yeah look at that

2264
01:38:04,420 --> 01:38:02,690
I wasn't scrolled down far enough we

2265
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:04,430
just have the capability by the way if

2266
01:38:07,930 --> 01:38:05,960
you want to post your occupation you

2267
01:38:10,420 --> 01:38:07,940
don't have to and for him drop the power

2268
01:38:13,090 --> 01:38:10,430
cast calm you can do it so she might

2269
01:38:15,550 --> 01:38:13,100
have a singular knowledge you mentioned

2270
01:38:18,820 --> 01:38:15,560
that Chad you mentioned Chupacabra there

2271
01:38:20,850 --> 01:38:18,830
was a very interesting case where two

2272
01:38:24,670 --> 01:38:20,860
law enforcement officers in Puerto Rico

2273
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:24,680
responded to a chupacabra sighting this

2274
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:27,890
was fairly early on in the wave and one

2275
01:38:35,530 --> 01:38:31,030
of the officers felt that he was being

2276
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:35,540
hypnotized or mesmerised by I remember

2277
01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:37,250
correctly a red light and then a smell

2278
01:38:42,220 --> 01:38:40,550
very reminiscent of the visitor yeah a

2279
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:42,230
lot of people report that with the

2280
01:38:47,020 --> 01:38:45,170
chupacabra I actually chased the reports

2281
01:38:49,810 --> 01:38:47,030
of the chupacabra down through Central

2282
01:38:52,450 --> 01:38:49,820
America and when I was in Puerto Rico I

2283
01:38:54,459 --> 01:38:52,460
talked to a rancher who had seen it

2284
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:54,469
several days before I got there and he

2285
01:38:58,990 --> 01:38:56,930
told me one evening he heard his dog

2286
01:39:01,540 --> 01:38:59,000
fighting with something in the backyard

2287
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:01,550
and in Puerto Rico they don't have any

2288
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:04,010
large predator so he wasn't afraid of

2289
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:06,830
the dog being harmed but then the dog

2290
01:39:11,260 --> 01:39:08,930
let out a Yelp that he had never heard

2291
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:11,270
before he went back and saw what he

2292
01:39:17,260 --> 01:39:14,860
reported as El Chupacabra and he said it

2293
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:17,270
bounced as though much like a kangaroo

2294
01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:20,870
it flew into the woods and disappeared

2295
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:22,820
and when he went out there the dog was

2296
01:39:28,060 --> 01:39:25,910
dead and what struck me about that is

2297
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:28,070
when I was researching the visitor is

2298
01:39:33,220 --> 01:39:30,310
that that same movement of that kangaroo

2299
01:39:35,169 --> 01:39:33,230
that this creature was you know not

2300
01:39:37,919 --> 01:39:35,179
quite stable on his feet

2301
01:39:40,029 --> 01:39:37,929
kind of hop and left if you will

2302
01:39:42,009 --> 01:39:40,039
interesting I doubt here that one of our

2303
01:39:48,279 --> 01:39:42,019
listeners supposed to in the forums is

2304
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:48,289
or her name is black rock lobster says I

2305
01:39:54,009 --> 01:39:51,199
will be eager to volunteer in any

2306
01:39:58,600 --> 01:39:54,019
underground investigation are those

2307
01:40:00,279 --> 01:39:58,610
famous last words I think I think you

2308
01:40:02,319 --> 01:40:00,289
guys are onto something where if they

2309
01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:02,329
open up this mind it may be one of the

2310
01:40:08,049 --> 01:40:05,590
best tourist attractions in the u.s.

2311
01:40:09,850 --> 01:40:08,059
careful what you wish for it have you

2312
01:40:11,949 --> 01:40:09,860
talked to anybody there saying hey why

2313
01:40:13,779 --> 01:40:11,959
don't you do this this would be cool yes

2314
01:40:16,209 --> 01:40:13,789
they're starting as I mentioned they

2315
01:40:18,459 --> 01:40:16,219
really have nothing about this case

2316
01:40:20,589 --> 01:40:18,469
because most of the town exactly had

2317
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:20,599
gotten about it but now it's starting to

2318
01:40:23,890 --> 01:40:21,920
open up where they're going to have

2319
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:23,900
visitor days every year during the

2320
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:26,150
anniversary of the sighting they're

2321
01:40:30,969 --> 01:40:28,489
going to look at tours out to the old

2322
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:30,979
mine but eventually maybe it will open

2323
01:40:36,279 --> 01:40:32,840
up that would be wonderful and I think

2324
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:36,289
as your listeners have shown there'd be

2325
01:40:41,469 --> 01:40:39,199
no shortage of volunteers yeah come

2326
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,479
visit the visitor and we hope of course

2327
01:40:44,949 --> 01:40:42,800
that the people who do volunteer

2328
01:40:48,189 --> 01:40:44,959
understand they will probably have to

2329
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:48,199
sign some kind of clause saying that the

2330
01:40:52,929 --> 01:40:50,570
powers that be who's allowed this

2331
01:40:56,799 --> 01:40:52,939
expedition to continue are indemnified

2332
01:40:58,839 --> 01:40:56,809
from damages if they disappear yes I

2333
01:41:01,449 --> 01:40:58,849
think if you die they should give the

2334
01:41:03,459 --> 01:41:01,459
the refund to your family I can dig that

2335
01:41:04,839 --> 01:41:03,469
you know so what would you charge I mean

2336
01:41:06,759 --> 01:41:04,849
really what would you charge for an

2337
01:41:08,949 --> 01:41:06,769
expedition like this fifty five dollars

2338
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:08,959
a person or something yeah I don't know

2339
01:41:13,060 --> 01:41:11,090
I think that would be great I I talked

2340
01:41:15,459 --> 01:41:13,070
to the landowner of even putting a sign

2341
01:41:16,929 --> 01:41:15,469
up or a plaque by the mine and just

2342
01:41:18,879 --> 01:41:16,939
allowing people to come out there and

2343
01:41:21,699 --> 01:41:18,889
donate if they want to check it out

2344
01:41:24,069 --> 01:41:21,709
because it's really a ranch there are a

2345
01:41:25,929 --> 01:41:24,079
few wandering horses but they're not

2346
01:41:27,969 --> 01:41:25,939
farming it because the land is pretty

2347
01:41:30,549 --> 01:41:27,979
much unusable because it's filled with

2348
01:41:33,250 --> 01:41:30,559
these little pieces and trinkets of the

2349
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:33,260
brick and tiles from the the decades of

2350
01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:35,209
the factory so you can't grow anything

2351
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:38,269
there so why not open it up in terms of

2352
01:41:44,739 --> 01:41:41,090
mines are there a number of mines in

2353
01:41:46,730 --> 01:41:44,749
that part of the state yes people really

2354
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:46,740
are surprised to hear that Iowa

2355
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:48,810
was a large coal producer but they were

2356
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:51,570
putting out tons just out of the van

2357
01:41:58,130 --> 01:41:54,210
Meter mine tons a day were being shipped

2358
01:42:00,920 --> 01:41:58,140
out on the trains and what I found very

2359
01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:00,930
interesting about this case is that this

2360
01:42:05,630 --> 01:42:03,270
was in an abandoned coal mine and when

2361
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,640
you start researching into folklore of

2362
01:42:10,670 --> 01:42:07,920
whether it's the Mothman or some of

2363
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:10,680
these other places that we find a lot of

2364
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,050
times these abandoned places are where

2365
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,600
these creatures like to hang out and

2366
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:17,760
have it that whether it's the old

2367
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:19,970
bombing shelters whether it's old

2368
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:22,830
factories that have been abandoned these

2369
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:25,410
are areas where these monsters seem to

2370
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:28,050
really enjoy well also naturally

2371
01:42:32,750 --> 01:42:30,210
occurring cavern systems too we've seen

2372
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:32,760
some correlations and parallels between

2373
01:42:39,650 --> 01:42:37,110
incidents of Bigfoot reports and and you

2374
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:39,660
know natural cavern systems and what a

2375
01:42:44,450 --> 01:42:42,090
perfect hiding spot especially the mines

2376
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:44,460
of Van Meter where as I said there were

2377
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:47,520
miles upon miles of these caverns going

2378
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:50,010
through the underground leading all over

2379
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:53,010
they may have had numerous entrances and

2380
01:42:58,760 --> 01:42:56,610
exits hmm I don't want to go I've been

2381
01:43:00,410 --> 01:42:58,770
thinking about it I know you're not good

2382
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:00,420
underground on gene I don't work

2383
01:43:04,940 --> 01:43:02,820
underground now I understand I spent

2384
01:43:07,130 --> 01:43:04,950
years riding the subway trains in New

2385
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:07,140
York as you did Chris so I'm used to

2386
01:43:10,580 --> 01:43:09,210
that kind of underground but I'm not

2387
01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:10,590
used to the underground where you go

2388
01:43:14,090 --> 01:43:12,180
into the cave and you wonder about it

2389
01:43:16,580 --> 01:43:14,100
you know part of it is that I knew

2390
01:43:18,890 --> 01:43:16,590
Richard shaver many years ago and of

2391
01:43:20,900 --> 01:43:18,900
course the legend is about the Dro and

2392
01:43:23,690 --> 01:43:20,910
material and the underground caverns and

2393
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:23,700
the legend of this they call it the D

2394
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:25,500
Rho elevator ever hear that

2395
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:28,410
I haven't know all right Chris you never

2396
01:43:33,770 --> 01:43:29,850
heard of the D Rho elevator in New York

2397
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:33,780
City okay that's that's the good one why

2398
01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:35,370
don't you share with us I will share

2399
01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:38,760
with you okay in one or more high-rises

2400
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:40,920
in New York that was allegedly an

2401
01:43:46,130 --> 01:43:42,810
elevator where have you pushed the

2402
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:46,140
basement button twice the elevator

2403
01:43:50,810 --> 01:43:47,880
starts moving in a different direction

2404
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:50,820
and takes you to a place that you do not

2405
01:43:56,090 --> 01:43:53,970
want to visit to the caverns that's why

2406
01:43:58,460 --> 01:43:56,100
we call it a dear old elevator I think

2407
01:43:59,850 --> 01:43:58,470
that story came originally from John J

2408
01:44:02,339 --> 01:43:59,860
Robinson

2409
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:02,349
some of you recall when we were playing

2410
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,570
some of the old recordings of Bobson IDs

2411
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:06,639
coffee o'clock show John Robinson was a

2412
01:44:10,740 --> 01:44:08,260
friend of mine a friend of Jim Mosley

2413
01:44:13,740 --> 01:44:10,750
and he knew this guy during World War

2414
01:44:15,899 --> 01:44:13,750
two a guy named Steve Brody an artist

2415
01:44:18,899 --> 01:44:15,909
who claimed to have been kidnapped by

2416
01:44:21,839 --> 01:44:18,909
d-rose and to have spent a number of

2417
01:44:24,419 --> 01:44:21,849
years there captive so John is where I

2418
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:24,429
got the Darrow elevator thing did they

2419
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,000
abduct him for as breeding stock or if

2420
01:44:32,729 --> 01:44:30,639
you recall the show his remembrance of

2421
01:44:35,069 --> 01:44:32,739
it is that Steve Brody lived in a

2422
01:44:36,899 --> 01:44:35,079
rooming house that Jack lived shortly

2423
01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:36,909
after he broke up with his first wife

2424
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,329
and after a while Brody disappeared and

2425
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:42,880
then he heard from a friend of his who

2426
01:44:49,919 --> 01:44:46,239
saw Brody out west apparently in a

2427
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:49,929
trance as if they the DeRose whatever

2428
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,960
had taken control over him again he

2429
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:54,880
never saw him again so we don't know

2430
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:56,860
what happened to Steve Brody but if his

2431
01:45:00,990 --> 01:44:58,150
descendants are listening to the podcast

2432
01:45:02,459 --> 01:45:01,000
we'd like to know although we're talking

2433
01:45:06,899 --> 01:45:02,469
about somebody who must have been in his

2434
01:45:08,370 --> 01:45:06,909
30s or 40s back in the 1940s so I don't

2435
01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:08,380
know who would still be alive who would

2436
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:10,630
remember him you never know the book is

2437
01:45:15,660 --> 01:45:12,790
called the van Meter visitor and I don't

2438
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:15,670
know how this segways two elevators in

2439
01:45:18,959 --> 01:45:16,719
New York that go in the wrong direction

2440
01:45:20,729 --> 01:45:18,969
take you to the Douro caves the author

2441
01:45:23,010 --> 01:45:20,739
by the way is Chad Lewis much more to

2442
01:45:27,860 --> 01:45:23,020
come with gene and Chris you're in the

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2465
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forcing taxes to service debt this

2466
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capitalism what was jefferson correct

2467
01:46:23,490 --> 01:46:21,850
when stating a central bank issuing the

2468
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:23,500
public currency is a greater menace to

2469
01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:24,610
the liberties of the people than a

2470
01:46:27,540 --> 01:46:26,380
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2471
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free silver dollar in a book that

2472
01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:29,560
explains our monetary system call for

2473
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:32,830
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2474
01:46:41,460 --> 01:46:35,890
understand the system call 866 to 237

2475
01:46:43,470 --> 01:46:41,470
that's 800 686 to 237 Alabama it's

2476
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:43,480
coming and it's the event you and your

2477
01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:45,730
family will not wanna miss the southern

2478
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Saturday and Sunday September 7th and

2480
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2482
01:46:58,290 --> 01:46:56,080
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2483
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2484
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2492
01:47:19,580 --> 01:47:17,550
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2493
01:47:21,530 --> 01:47:19,590
and be sure to stop by and check out the

2494
01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:21,540
youngevity booth the southern Preppers

2495
01:47:25,610 --> 01:47:23,030
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2496
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:25,620
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2497
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:27,960
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2498
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free to attend don't forget the Country

2499
01:47:33,500 --> 01:47:31,950
Inn and Suites and Oxford has special

2500
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:33,510
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2501
01:47:38,060 --> 01:47:35,910
the expo get all the details at the

2502
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:38,070
southern Preppers comm that's the

2503
01:47:51,140 --> 01:47:48,360
southern Preppers comm welcome back to

2504
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:51,150
the para cast the gold standard of

2505
01:48:03,680 --> 01:47:56,070
paranormal radio and now here's James

2506
01:48:05,660 --> 01:48:03,690
Steinberg so Chris O'Brien you never

2507
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:05,670
heard the D row elevator did you know

2508
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:08,730
that's a new one on me uh you know I've

2509
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:10,440
always wondered there's some pretty

2510
01:48:15,020 --> 01:48:12,330
interesting you know buildings and

2511
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,030
elevators in New York I have heard

2512
01:48:19,970 --> 01:48:17,280
stories of elevators that if you hit the

2513
01:48:22,610 --> 01:48:19,980
button a certain sequence that it stops

2514
01:48:24,620 --> 01:48:22,620
at an in-between unregistered floor

2515
01:48:26,060 --> 01:48:24,630
there's elevators that you can't go all

2516
01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:26,070
the way to the pant house unless you

2517
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:29,490
have you know special access or basement

2518
01:48:34,850 --> 01:48:32,520
areas are similar so it wouldn't

2519
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:34,860
surprise me a bit if there was some sort

2520
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:37,110
of you know secret elevator at let's say

2521
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:41,000
Denver International Airport or you know

2522
01:48:47,210 --> 01:48:45,330
Sulphur Springs Arkansas was a White

2523
01:48:49,310 --> 01:48:47,220
Sulphur Springs with the the hotel that

2524
01:48:50,990 --> 01:48:49,320
you you have the the big huge

2525
01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:51,000
underground continuation of government

2526
01:48:57,650 --> 01:48:54,420
facility and all that there's been some

2527
01:49:00,710 --> 01:48:57,660
interesting news that's come out in the

2528
01:49:03,890 --> 01:49:00,720
media lately about people kind of

2529
01:49:06,710 --> 01:49:03,900
suggesting that the the the ruling elite

2530
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:06,720
since March have been stocking up their

2531
01:49:13,790 --> 01:49:09,480
underground escape hatches rat holes if

2532
01:49:16,130 --> 01:49:13,800
you will so the culture has has had for

2533
01:49:19,010 --> 01:49:16,140
many generations stories about

2534
01:49:20,540 --> 01:49:19,020
underground dwellers and areas but we do

2535
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:20,550
know that the US government has been

2536
01:49:25,340 --> 01:49:23,450
very active underground and and has

2537
01:49:27,260 --> 01:49:25,350
established quite an infrastructure

2538
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,270
underground to what extent we don't

2539
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:29,520
really know of course I do remember

2540
01:49:33,620 --> 01:49:31,260
talking to a miner who

2541
01:49:35,629 --> 01:49:33,630
worked underground at the Los Alamos lab

2542
01:49:38,839 --> 01:49:35,639
who claims he broke in his team broke

2543
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:38,849
into an ancient what he described as at

2544
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:42,239
least ten thousand year old workmanship

2545
01:49:47,779 --> 01:49:45,000
that obviously was man-made the tunnel

2546
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:47,789
system in and so this this wouldn't

2547
01:49:51,890 --> 01:49:49,530
surprise me a bit Jane well you know all

2548
01:49:53,509 --> 01:49:51,900
the things we're hearing now about the

2549
01:49:56,299 --> 01:49:53,519
admission that there really is an area

2550
01:49:58,700 --> 01:49:56,309
51 are you surprised about the

2551
01:50:01,100 --> 01:49:58,710
influences of fiction like for example I

2552
01:50:03,709 --> 01:50:01,110
expect that dan Aykroyd when he was

2553
01:50:05,930 --> 01:50:03,719
involved in the writing of the original

2554
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:05,940
Ghostbusters and he's interested in

2555
01:50:11,029 --> 01:50:08,130
psychic phenomena was thinking about the

2556
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:11,039
phenomenon of certain buildings being

2557
01:50:16,490 --> 01:50:13,860
doorways to psychic events or strange

2558
01:50:20,569 --> 01:50:16,500
creatures there was an ABC TV show

2559
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:20,579
called six-six-six with Terry O'Quinn

2560
01:50:26,180 --> 01:50:23,760
who you remember from lost and y5o as a

2561
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:26,190
star didn't last very long that was

2562
01:50:31,819 --> 01:50:29,730
about this building that supposedly is I

2563
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:31,829
guess a residence for worshipers of

2564
01:50:36,799 --> 01:50:33,599
Satan or something like that so there

2565
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,809
always are crazy legends of this kind of

2566
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:38,400
thing where you have the underground

2567
01:50:43,939 --> 01:50:41,610
caverns we have strange places and they

2568
01:50:46,819 --> 01:50:43,949
influence our fiction yeah like the

2569
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:46,829
Dakota on Central Park West where John

2570
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:48,690
Lennon and Yoko Ono lived where Lenin

2571
01:50:54,979 --> 01:50:52,800
was murdered that was the this scene the

2572
01:50:56,810 --> 01:50:54,989
site rather of Rosemary's Baby that's

2573
01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:56,820
quite an interesting history of the

2574
01:51:04,220 --> 01:50:59,880
Dakota how it may have been had some

2575
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,230
sort of of magical or occult design work

2576
01:51:08,419 --> 01:51:06,000
done on it there's some pretty

2577
01:51:10,910 --> 01:51:08,429
interesting sites around New York and in

2578
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,920
other cities too as well that you kind

2579
01:51:14,660 --> 01:51:12,239
of have to scratch your head and wonder

2580
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:14,670
what were they thinking when they design

2581
01:51:21,410 --> 01:51:18,110
Washington DC or or some of the other

2582
01:51:23,569 --> 01:51:21,420
interesting stories about Phoenix how it

2583
01:51:25,970 --> 01:51:23,579
was designed so this wouldn't surprise

2584
01:51:28,669 --> 01:51:25,980
me a bit well what do you think Chad

2585
01:51:30,830 --> 01:51:28,679
about underground scenario some of the

2586
01:51:33,259 --> 01:51:30,840
largest underground facilities we know

2587
01:51:35,419 --> 01:51:33,269
in North America are just up the road in

2588
01:51:38,029 --> 01:51:35,429
Kansas or down the road in Kansas for

2589
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:38,039
instance around the the the abandoned

2590
01:51:43,549 --> 01:51:41,010
limestone mines of south of Atchison

2591
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:43,559
Kansas have you done any digging around

2592
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:44,130
for

2593
01:51:48,919 --> 01:51:46,650
underground connections yeah we looked

2594
01:51:51,500 --> 01:51:48,929
at a lot of underground stories and I

2595
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:51,510
have to say I love the elevator story

2596
01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:53,730
next time I'm out in New York I'm going

2597
01:51:58,399 --> 01:51:55,590
to be pushing that button and trying it

2598
01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:58,409
for myself so but yeah we looked at a

2599
01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:01,170
lot of underground the stories and

2600
01:52:05,419 --> 01:52:03,780
connections and of course we know that

2601
01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:05,429
the government has a lot of bases

2602
01:52:10,430 --> 01:52:07,710
underground we know that there's been a

2603
01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:10,440
lot of reports of UFOs coming seemingly

2604
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:14,580
from underground or underwater so their

2605
01:52:19,370 --> 01:52:17,010
bases too a lot of people are just

2606
01:52:21,709 --> 01:52:19,380
harkening back to the visitor that a lot

2607
01:52:23,930 --> 01:52:21,719
of people believe that the miners

2608
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:23,940
actually dug something up that it

2609
01:52:28,820 --> 01:52:26,280
released it was getting so far down that

2610
01:52:31,129 --> 01:52:28,830
they released this creature that should

2611
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:31,139
not have been released and if it

2612
01:52:34,689 --> 01:52:32,850
happened there I wonder just how many

2613
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:34,699
other places around the world where

2614
01:52:41,209 --> 01:52:37,050
straight out of the the movie The

2615
01:52:45,129 --> 01:52:41,219
Descent yeah a rain of fire when mm-hmm

2616
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:45,139
who was it Christian Bale's parents

2617
01:52:49,129 --> 01:52:47,130
accidentally broke into an underground

2618
01:52:51,590 --> 01:52:49,139
lair of a dragon and released it in

2619
01:52:53,810 --> 01:52:51,600
London and and they they took over the

2620
01:52:55,729 --> 01:52:53,820
planet and burnt everything well of

2621
01:52:57,709 --> 01:52:55,739
course it starts to read like an HP

2622
01:52:59,959 --> 01:52:57,719
Lovecraft novel you know we always

2623
01:53:02,450 --> 01:52:59,969
talked about these ancient creatures

2624
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,460
from below the earth you know it's

2625
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:04,800
interesting Richard shaver told me he

2626
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:07,860
thought Lovecraft was putting factual

2627
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:12,060
elements in his fiction mm-hmm yeah I

2628
01:53:16,939 --> 01:53:13,980
think a lot of these these stories that

2629
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:16,949
are in in quotes

2630
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:19,650
you know fiction were maybe a little

2631
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:23,310
more science faction Cthulhu lows Eugene

2632
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:28,110
oh I am NOT going on elevator and

2633
01:53:33,050 --> 01:53:30,110
pressing the basement button twice I

2634
01:53:35,629 --> 01:53:33,060
assure you of that I am NOT looking for

2635
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:35,639
secret keys I am NOT looking to enter a

2636
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:37,850
cave and we used to have a joke when

2637
01:53:43,879 --> 01:53:41,190
years ago we visited major Donald Kehoe

2638
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:43,889
the pioneer UFO researcher near his home

2639
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:45,810
he lived in Luray Virginia near the

2640
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:48,690
caverns and of course Kyo didn't invite

2641
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:50,460
us to his home we met at a diner and

2642
01:53:55,980 --> 01:53:54,360
maybe we had some sandwiches or some

2643
01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:55,990
refreshments

2644
01:54:01,590 --> 01:53:57,970
but we used to joke this is back in the

2645
01:54:05,790 --> 01:54:01,600
1960s maybe Kehoe's real home was in

2646
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:05,800
those caverns hmm I haven't port lives

2647
01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:08,020
in an underground abandoned missile silo

2648
01:54:12,210 --> 01:54:10,750
I don't think he's fully living there

2649
01:54:15,180 --> 01:54:12,220
yeah I think he's still basically

2650
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:15,190
reconditioning it oh well he wants to

2651
01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:19,510
live in a new band was on the show I

2652
01:54:26,370 --> 01:54:23,560
asked him for the door they had all this

2653
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:26,380
renovation and eventually he'd be living

2654
01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:28,510
there then we'll visit him you know

2655
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:29,710
we'll go up there and visit him that

2656
01:54:35,220 --> 01:54:33,460
might be fun you'll shoot some video of

2657
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:35,230
course we may not return so that might

2658
01:54:39,660 --> 01:54:37,690
be you know prior to the last episode of

2659
01:54:40,860 --> 01:54:39,670
the power cast just think about that I

2660
01:54:42,930 --> 01:54:40,870
always think about go on this

2661
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:42,940
investigation someone else will be doing

2662
01:54:46,770 --> 01:54:44,470
the show next week because I won't be

2663
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:46,780
able to you know just don't go on an

2664
01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:48,940
underground cavern tour with the tour

2665
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guide named Dante I don't think so

2666
01:54:58,410 --> 01:54:57,010
not even Joe Dante the director Chris

2667
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,420
any more questions or have we covered

2668
01:55:03,660 --> 01:55:01,360
everything well we have covered a lot of

2669
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the areas that the questions address but

2670
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but here's an interesting one this comes

2671
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from Steve C who I mentioned was a

2672
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lurker at the para caste he's not a

2673
01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:15,520
lurker he's actually posting messages

2674
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:17,710
and getting involved at forum doctor

2675
01:55:23,130 --> 01:55:20,520
para caste calm Steve shout-out to you

2676
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do you chat find any similarities

2677
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between this creature and reports of a

2678
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flying humanoid creature a few years ago

2679
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in Mexico if you will recall there was a

2680
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spate of these sightings I think in the

2681
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end of the 90s beginning of the 2000s

2682
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where these these strange I guess which

2683
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like creatures were seen flying around

2684
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Mexico and I've had a number of

2685
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sightings in the San Luis Valley over

2686
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:50,140
the past couple three years of a winged

2687
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flying humanoid kind of similar the

2688
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cross between Mothman and Dracula or

2689
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something do you see any any

2690
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similarities at all between these recent

2691
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reports and the visitor

2692
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well certainly the ability of flight and

2693
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for some of them looking as though these

2694
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humanoids have wings or that they're

2695
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able to fly without necessarily flapping

2696
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almost as though they're sailing so I

2697
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:18,670
think those are a lot of similarities to

2698
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:22,210
the dark features of these humanoids if

2699
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:24,070
you will and that's one thing about the

2700
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visitors that we don't necessarily know

2701
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what color it was

2702
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it was never reported so we always

2703
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assumed that it was black or a dark

2704
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color even at night it would have

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appeared that way

2706
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so that's just kind of what we

2707
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attributed to it so I think it's

2708
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possible that these things are the same

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thing that have been appearing for

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hundreds of years I don't know yeah as I

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said I don't want to go down there but

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certainly it's clear something weird did

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happen and we could always hope that

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when you have a book like this it will

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time they can tell us more about what

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happened because it just opens up the

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want to see what happened I'll tell you

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it seemed to produce more evidence of

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this case once again I'm going to raise

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it and they'll be attacking me in the

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of the Van Meter visitor that Alaskan

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would tell us something about his

2835
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co-authors in a moment but Chris don't

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you think this case maybe has more

2837
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evidence in favor of it than Aztec I do

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gene and you know being in the process

2839
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:21,950
of just combing the archives and and

2840
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looking through historical research for

2841
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old cases that go back to the Middle

2842
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Ages I've I think I've identified for

2843
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instance the oldest known documented

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description of livestock mutilations

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from 1606 in England in the diary and

2846
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and court records of James first of

2847
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England I'm so happy that Chad and his

2848
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:49,480
co-authors have have found this primary

2849
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:52,910
account from the time and then been able

2850
02:02:59,470 --> 02:02:55,250
to build on it and use that as a

2851
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signpost and and a kind of a pathways to

2852
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investigate a pathways to do research

2853
02:03:06,370 --> 02:03:03,940
that is one thing that's glaringly

2854
02:03:08,830 --> 02:03:06,380
deficient and missing from the Aztec

2855
02:03:10,330 --> 02:03:08,840
case we don't have anything from the

2856
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:10,340
actual time period where this was

2857
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alleged to have occurred that's part of

2858
02:03:15,700 --> 02:03:13,490
the public record whether it's a media

2859
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:15,710
account diary account journals police

2860
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:17,930
reports anything like that in the case

2861
02:03:21,250 --> 02:03:19,730
of the VanMeter visitor we do have a

2862
02:03:24,010 --> 02:03:21,260
very compelling case that actually

2863
02:03:26,290 --> 02:03:24,020
gained some traction in the media you

2864
02:03:28,030 --> 02:03:26,300
know my hats off to you this is Chad

2865
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,040
I've I've been going through this just

2866
02:03:32,740 --> 02:03:29,840
recently here myself this is a very

2867
02:03:34,450 --> 02:03:32,750
difficult even in this and you know this

2868
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:34,460
wonderful age of the internet it's still

2869
02:03:38,350 --> 02:03:36,530
very difficult to do research back over

2870
02:03:40,750 --> 02:03:38,360
a hundred years like this and my hats

2871
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:40,760
off to you I thank you and most of it

2872
02:03:45,700 --> 02:03:42,610
you know what's done just through

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digging that nowadays if you get a case

2874
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:48,170
of something you can just do it all on

2875
02:03:52,450 --> 02:03:50,570
the Internet but most of this was off

2876
02:03:54,370 --> 02:03:52,460
internet that we had to dig through the

2877
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:54,380
old archives the microfilm the

2878
02:04:00,010 --> 02:03:56,930
microfiche and God forbid actually

2879
02:04:03,850 --> 02:04:00,020
interview people around the area you had

2880
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to actually travel somewhere and that

2881
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,410
was the most fun for me is that I think

2882
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when you go to some of these places

2883
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whether you're out in the middle of the

2884
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:13,090
an Aztec with the old sign says where

2885
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allegedly crashed or you're looking at

2886
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the you know downtown Point Pleasant

2887
02:04:21,570 --> 02:04:19,870
West Virginia that I think it's

2888
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important to be at some of these places

2889
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to get a feel of what may have happened

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or what they were seeing and obviously

2891
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even if you go there nothing happens

2892
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you're going to have a blast getting

2893
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there and that's half the fun you know

2894
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taking the backroads staying at these

2895
02:04:42,030 --> 02:04:38,830
mom-and-pop motels that you might

2896
02:04:43,940 --> 02:04:42,040
normally not have the courage to do so

2897
02:04:48,090 --> 02:04:43,950
do they have internet access at least

2898
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yes they did very sketchy the town

2899
02:04:53,310 --> 02:04:51,400
doesn't have a hotel or motel again it's

2900
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almost as though little has changed

2901
02:04:58,980 --> 02:04:56,650
since 1903 and in fact since 1903 the

2902
02:05:01,800 --> 02:04:58,990
downtown itself has shrunk over the

2903
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:01,810
years so there's less businesses there

2904
02:05:07,890 --> 02:05:03,850
so you can really walk through downtown

2905
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:07,900
van Meter and say hey I'm in 1903 yeah

2906
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sounds like you're going into the

2907
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:12,420
representation of a Stephen King book

2908
02:05:17,490 --> 02:05:15,280
feels like that right you're going into

2909
02:05:19,950 --> 02:05:17,500
Haven and you've got everybody who has

2910
02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:19,960
troubles I can't explain that if you

2911
02:05:23,730 --> 02:05:21,190
don't see the show on the sci-fi channel

2912
02:05:26,250 --> 02:05:23,740
it's coming back and a month or two and

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you just watch it and watch the mythos

2914
02:05:32,010 --> 02:05:28,900
it's really fascinating Chris yeah I was

2915
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:32,020
gonna ask you in your research endeavors

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02:05:37,050 --> 02:05:34,330
and travels through the history of of

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02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:37,060
Iowa I just today was working on a

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section of my new book called stalking

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herd which is a case history and an

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analysis of the cattle mutilation

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02:05:49,380 --> 02:05:47,740
phenomenon some of the earliest cases in

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02:05:52,020 --> 02:05:49,390
the 1970s

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02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:52,030
prior to this becoming a huge news story

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02:05:57,570 --> 02:05:54,580
in the in the the panic and hysteria

2925
02:05:59,490 --> 02:05:57,580
really that they grew out of the the

2926
02:06:04,110 --> 02:05:59,500
events that occurred in 74 and

2927
02:06:06,510 --> 02:06:04,120
especially 75 and 76 back in 1971 there

2928
02:06:11,670 --> 02:06:06,520
were a series of very interesting pig

2929
02:06:13,770 --> 02:06:11,680
abductions in Iowa that in one case it

2930
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:13,780
was 59 animals and they were the best

2931
02:06:18,990 --> 02:06:15,730
animals from the entire hog farm

2932
02:06:22,110 --> 02:06:19,000
according to the owner were were just

2933
02:06:23,530 --> 02:06:22,120
swooped down and taken away presumably

2934
02:06:25,300 --> 02:06:23,540
by helicopters

2935
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:25,310
helicopters were cited by law

2936
02:06:28,570 --> 02:06:27,170
enforcement in the area right around the

2937
02:06:30,490 --> 02:06:28,580
time when these pigs were reported

2938
02:06:32,110 --> 02:06:30,500
missing have you done any sort of

2939
02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:32,120
digging or come across any sort of

2940
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:33,890
information from the late sixties early

2941
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:34,940
70s

2942
02:06:41,439 --> 02:06:37,610
about strange animal abductions or

2943
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:41,449
mutilation cases from that part of Iowa

2944
02:06:46,810 --> 02:06:44,000
or Kansas anywhere in the Midwest there

2945
02:06:48,729 --> 02:06:46,820
no certainly not dating that far back

2946
02:06:51,209 --> 02:06:48,739
and I'd be interested in hearing more of

2947
02:06:54,430 --> 02:06:51,219
your research and the fact that you know

2948
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:54,440
1970s early 70s of these creatures being

2949
02:06:59,740 --> 02:06:56,960
missing especially the the pigs rather

2950
02:07:03,459 --> 02:06:59,750
than cattle or even horse was there ever

2951
02:07:05,919 --> 02:07:03,469
an explanation given no military style

2952
02:07:07,930 --> 02:07:05,929
helicopter with a strange circular white

2953
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:07,940
marking just in front of the tail was

2954
02:07:13,900 --> 02:07:11,810
about as much information as was really

2955
02:07:16,510 --> 02:07:13,910
present in police reports and in a few

2956
02:07:18,610 --> 02:07:16,520
very small mentions in local papers at

2957
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:18,620
the time but evidently there were quite

2958
02:07:23,290 --> 02:07:21,050
a number of these in the spring of 71

2959
02:07:26,140 --> 02:07:23,300
into the summer and then it seemed a

2960
02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:26,150
hopscotch to Kansas there were some

2961
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:28,340
cases in Missouri kind of north

2962
02:07:35,590 --> 02:07:31,850
northwestern Missouri where animals were

2963
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:35,600
found shot in some cases but mostly just

2964
02:07:39,610 --> 02:07:37,850
plain disappeared I have a theory that

2965
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:39,620
possibly some of the perpetrators of

2966
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:43,850
these particular controversial crimes if

2967
02:07:48,250 --> 02:07:45,650
you will figured out that it was

2968
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:48,260
probably less problematic to leave the

2969
02:07:51,580 --> 02:07:50,030
animals there than to take them and

2970
02:07:53,260 --> 02:07:51,590
generate police reports and and

2971
02:07:56,110 --> 02:07:53,270
newspaper stories and that sort of thing

2972
02:07:58,840 --> 02:07:56,120
and we do see a definite switch in

2973
02:08:01,600 --> 02:07:58,850
tactics as we go through the fall into

2974
02:08:03,850 --> 02:08:01,610
the winter of 71 into the spring of 72

2975
02:08:06,669 --> 02:08:03,860
then these animals tended to be cattle

2976
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:06,679
and it tended to be left behind so but

2977
02:08:11,290 --> 02:08:09,050
if you do ever happen on any sort of

2978
02:08:15,419 --> 02:08:11,300
documentation or stories newspaper

2979
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,429
articles of nickens of early 70s cases I

2980
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:17,360
really love it if you'd let me know

2981
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:19,850
because I feel these these early cases

2982
02:08:24,010 --> 02:08:21,920
prior to the media getting involved

2983
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:24,020
could be really really important in

2984
02:08:28,150 --> 02:08:25,850
terms of possibly helping us identify

2985
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:28,160
the perpetrators yeah it sounds

2986
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:30,290
fascinating research and again I'm just

2987
02:08:35,650 --> 02:08:33,050
very interested in these creatures being

2988
02:08:36,370 --> 02:08:35,660
taken instead of you know found with all

2989
02:08:38,650 --> 02:08:36,380
their

2990
02:08:42,270 --> 02:08:38,660
James removed the sexual organs removed

2991
02:08:46,330 --> 02:08:42,280
I love the fact that they're just gone

2992
02:08:48,580 --> 02:08:46,340
one of my favorites was the Alexander

2993
02:08:52,300 --> 02:08:48,590
Hamilton case of course from from the

2994
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:52,310
eighth Center Kansas in 1897 where one

2995
02:08:56,290 --> 02:08:53,930
of the pillars of the community reported

2996
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:56,300
that he saw his calf bawling and in the

2997
02:08:59,380 --> 02:08:57,530
field and looked up and there was this

2998
02:09:01,600 --> 02:08:59,390
huge airship up there with a rope coming

2999
02:09:03,700 --> 02:09:01,610
down and had been dragging off his calf

3000
02:09:05,290 --> 02:09:03,710
and he got stuck in the fence so he he

3001
02:09:07,450 --> 02:09:05,300
cut the calf out of the fence and tried

3002
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:07,460
to pull the rope off and in the airship

3003
02:09:12,370 --> 02:09:09,890
sailed along and dragging the calf

3004
02:09:14,590 --> 02:09:12,380
bawling in the air then the next day I

3005
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:14,600
think was found like a mile or two away

3006
02:09:19,210 --> 02:09:16,610
but it was missing all its innards just

3007
02:09:21,790 --> 02:09:19,220
the skin and in skull and leg bones were

3008
02:09:23,950 --> 02:09:21,800
present I've done quite a bit of digging

3009
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:23,960
on this case and contrary to what Jerry

3010
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:27,530
Clark says that it was he was a member

3011
02:09:33,130 --> 02:09:30,170
of a liar's club and and this was all an

3012
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:33,140
elaborate hoax the actual affidavit

3013
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signed by the 12 pillars of the

3014
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community the banker the doctor the the

3015
02:09:42,910 --> 02:09:40,850
owner the hardware store very similar to

3016
02:09:45,220 --> 02:09:42,920
the van Meter case the pillars of the

3017
02:09:47,170 --> 02:09:45,230
community swore a legal notarized

3018
02:09:49,210 --> 02:09:47,180
affidavit that that they believed

3019
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:49,220
Alexander Hamilton's story and he had no

3020
02:09:54,070 --> 02:09:51,050
reason to make something so outlandish

3021
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up so you know again this these Midwest

3022
02:09:58,990 --> 02:09:57,320
precursor type sightings and unexplained

3023
02:10:01,420 --> 02:09:59,000
events I think could be very very

3024
02:10:03,340 --> 02:10:01,430
important and that's why I really happy

3025
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that that you and your co-authors have

3026
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taken the time and taken the you know it

3027
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upon yourselves to go ahead and look

3028
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into a very interesting standalone case

3029
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like this it is fascinating it to go

3030
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through the book and and to read all the

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the amazing research you guys did we

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have Chad Lewis joining us

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[Music]

3142
02:15:00,830 --> 02:14:58,980
so if our friend my friend of maybe 40

3143
02:15:03,169 --> 02:15:00,840
years Jerry Clark listens to you right

3144
02:15:05,180 --> 02:15:03,179
now Bruce O'Brian I suppose he will

3145
02:15:07,010 --> 02:15:05,190
disagree but maybe the next time he

3146
02:15:07,459 --> 02:15:07,020
comes on the show we'll talk about it

3147
02:15:09,319 --> 02:15:07,469
okay

3148
02:15:11,229 --> 02:15:09,329
I will now also asked him about the

3149
02:15:13,450 --> 02:15:11,239
conversation he had with another

3150
02:15:15,410 --> 02:15:13,460
researcher about that particular case

3151
02:15:17,930 --> 02:15:15,420
that would be fascinating

3152
02:15:20,540 --> 02:15:17,940
Ted before we go on I want to ask you

3153
02:15:22,129 --> 02:15:20,550
quickly here we've talked to you and

3154
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:22,139
you're just one of three authors of this

3155
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:24,090
book and you tell us about your

3156
02:15:28,580 --> 02:15:26,639
colleagues yes that should be noted

3157
02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:28,590
again I'm just one of the three

3158
02:15:34,010 --> 02:15:30,690
researchers and the other two are no

3159
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:34,020
Abbas and Kevin Nelson who the media

3160
02:15:38,750 --> 02:15:35,690
have dubbed them the real-life

3161
02:15:41,330 --> 02:15:38,760
Winchester's from obviously from the TV

3162
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:41,340
show Supernatural I always like to say

3163
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they're the Winchester brothers but

3164
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:45,710
badass and they really are they're

3165
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:49,710
researchers where Kevin's more into his

3166
02:15:54,740 --> 02:15:52,800
research of American folk magic and the

3167
02:15:57,620 --> 02:15:54,750
occult where Noah

3168
02:16:00,859 --> 02:15:57,630
started out doing UFO research and that

3169
02:16:02,680 --> 02:16:00,869
blossom into others but we all kind of

3170
02:16:05,419 --> 02:16:02,690
have that sense of adventure that

3171
02:16:07,790 --> 02:16:05,429
although they're great researchers we

3172
02:16:09,890 --> 02:16:07,800
making it as an adventure that we're

3173
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hitting the backroads we're stopping at

3174
02:16:14,750 --> 02:16:12,510
these mom-and-pop places you know we're

3175
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:14,760
down at the local watering hole talking

3176
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to people trying to get stories out of

3177
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,560
them and it's you know really kind of

3178
02:16:24,830 --> 02:16:22,320
gritty and dark some of the stuff we do

3179
02:16:27,530 --> 02:16:24,840
so it's good to have other people there

3180
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:27,540
that you know have some expertise as

3181
02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:28,079
well

3182
02:16:31,970 --> 02:16:29,820
all right assembling these people and

3183
02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:31,980
trying to put this together do you find

3184
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:33,809
yourself agreeing on everything or

3185
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:35,519
disagreeing and when you do disagree

3186
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:38,130
what areas does one or the other

3187
02:16:42,919 --> 02:16:40,170
emphasize yeah I think when you get

3188
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three people who have all tore into the

3189
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:45,000
research you're probably going to get

3190
02:16:49,520 --> 02:16:47,010
three different conclusions the one

3191
02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:49,530
thing that we all agreed on is that it

3192
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:51,599
was one of the most baffling cases we

3193
02:16:57,259 --> 02:16:54,240
ever stumbled across and that no matter

3194
02:16:59,810 --> 02:16:57,269
how many theories we put together we all

3195
02:17:02,810 --> 02:16:59,820
agreed that we're not certain any of us

3196
02:17:06,140 --> 02:17:02,820
are right but I think it comes in where

3197
02:17:08,390 --> 02:17:06,150
our research talents may lie we're you

3198
02:17:10,580 --> 02:17:08,400
know Kevin looked into a lot of it being

3199
02:17:13,220 --> 02:17:10,590
an ultra terrestrial and he was looking

3200
02:17:15,890 --> 02:17:13,230
into that of these interdimensional

3201
02:17:18,049 --> 02:17:15,900
beings and you know culpas and other

3202
02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:18,059
things whereas you know that's not

3203
02:17:22,129 --> 02:17:20,490
really my field of research where you

3204
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:22,139
know I think it's a possibility but I

3205
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,290
like to try to focus more on what's here

3206
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:27,599
and now whereas you don't know I brought

3207
02:17:31,940 --> 02:17:29,700
up other things that it might have been

3208
02:17:34,730 --> 02:17:31,950
just the cryptid of the time or a known

3209
02:17:37,220 --> 02:17:34,740
animal that was misidentified so I think

3210
02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:37,230
rather than a lot of disagreements we

3211
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:39,450
all tried to focus on our strengths and

3212
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:41,730
what we could bring to the the research

3213
02:17:46,700 --> 02:17:44,639
where I think that's very important when

3214
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,710
you're dealing with a new case where

3215
02:17:51,290 --> 02:17:48,960
there are a lot of dead ends it's good

3216
02:17:53,180 --> 02:17:51,300
to have that critical thinking of where

3217
02:17:55,430 --> 02:17:53,190
can we go next with this if we don't

3218
02:17:57,799 --> 02:17:55,440
have this record where else can we find

3219
02:18:00,049 --> 02:17:57,809
it how long have you guys been working

3220
02:18:02,089 --> 02:18:00,059
together on this kind of investigation

3221
02:18:05,540 --> 02:18:02,099
yeah we've been legend tripping around

3222
02:18:08,180 --> 02:18:05,550
the US and the world for about 15 years

3223
02:18:10,190 --> 02:18:08,190
now and they're they're the core

3224
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,200
researchers that way I deal with quite a

3225
02:18:15,709 --> 02:18:13,200
bit actually Noah and I just got back on

3226
02:18:18,560 --> 02:18:15,719
Monday from an expedition to Lake Pepin

3227
02:18:21,620 --> 02:18:18,570
to capture the the sea monster called

3228
02:18:24,110 --> 02:18:21,630
Pepe there which unfortunately we came

3229
02:18:26,180 --> 02:18:24,120
back empty-handed but we did rescue a

3230
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:26,190
paddle boat that was stranded with

3231
02:18:30,740 --> 02:18:28,500
dozens of tourists on it so there's

3232
02:18:33,620 --> 02:18:30,750
something to say about that so we have a

3233
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:33,630
Batman like creature in your book and

3234
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:36,960
you guys are acting like Batman yeah we

3235
02:18:40,580 --> 02:18:39,120
got this call a we're on Lake Pepin

3236
02:18:43,010 --> 02:18:40,590
which is on the Mississippi River

3237
02:18:46,850 --> 02:18:43,020
bordering Wisconsin and Minnesota it's

3238
02:18:49,100 --> 02:18:46,860
about 25 miles long at 2 miles wide it

3239
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:49,110
really looks like Loch Ness if you were

3240
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:52,170
thrown into Lake Pepin because of the

3241
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,660
bluffs and the size of the place you

3242
02:18:59,419 --> 02:18:56,639
wouldn't be able to tell where you are

3243
02:19:01,879 --> 02:18:59,429
at except I was able to swim in Lake

3244
02:19:03,770 --> 02:19:01,889
Pepin and when I put my foot in Loch

3245
02:19:06,620 --> 02:19:03,780
Ness it felt like someone was throwing

3246
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:06,630
pins in it I'm from Wisconsin and I'm

3247
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:09,690
used to cold water but boy let me tell

3248
02:19:14,990 --> 02:19:13,290
you Loch Ness is freezing but they have

3249
02:19:15,850 --> 02:19:15,000
a lot of similarities but yeah we were

3250
02:19:18,700 --> 02:19:15,860
out we

3251
02:19:21,550 --> 02:19:18,710
call a distress call from a tourist boat

3252
02:19:23,710 --> 02:19:21,560
that operates an old paddle boat and we

3253
02:19:25,870 --> 02:19:23,720
happen to have a big expedition rig so

3254
02:19:28,210 --> 02:19:25,880
we were able to swing by and make some

3255
02:19:30,370 --> 02:19:28,220
huge wakes to pull them off the sandbar

3256
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:30,380
and there were few dozen cheering

3257
02:19:35,291 --> 02:19:32,450
tourists but put it all in the day's

3258
02:19:37,900 --> 02:19:35,301
work for a monster hunter let me ask you

3259
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:37,910
amongst your travels have you run into

3260
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:40,880
many cases where there's just nothing

3261
02:19:44,620 --> 02:19:43,040
there you look at all the information

3262
02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:44,630
you look at the records you come out and

3263
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:45,830
say you know what someone's playing a

3264
02:19:49,390 --> 02:19:46,370
game with us

3265
02:19:51,940 --> 02:19:49,400
there's no authenticity to it yes

3266
02:19:54,551 --> 02:19:51,950
normally it's not where I think people

3267
02:19:57,100 --> 02:19:54,561
are hoaxing intentionally most of the

3268
02:20:00,011 --> 02:19:57,110
time I just tack it up to being a

3269
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,021
folklore or legend down in Central

3270
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:02,000
America they have a creature that they

3271
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:04,730
call a la Llorona and it's this

3272
02:20:09,970 --> 02:20:07,130
beautiful woman that would appear on the

3273
02:20:11,591 --> 02:20:09,980
side of a riverbank and lure men into

3274
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:11,601
the woods where she would turn into a

3275
02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:14,570
giant snake and devour the men I think

3276
02:20:18,190 --> 02:20:16,370
it was nothing more than women telling

3277
02:20:20,501 --> 02:20:18,200
this to their husbands so they come home

3278
02:20:23,051 --> 02:20:20,511
after work but I was here you know I

3279
02:20:25,511 --> 02:20:23,061
would hear all these stories and yet I

3280
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:25,521
couldn't find one credible witness who

3281
02:20:30,730 --> 02:20:28,610
had one scene la Llorona or two that you

3282
02:20:32,980 --> 02:20:30,740
know their loved one has been taken by

3283
02:20:35,140 --> 02:20:32,990
this this creature the supernatural

3284
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,150
being so I get a lot of cases like that

3285
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:38,240
or I love the folklore and the legend of

3286
02:20:44,381 --> 02:20:41,110
it but how how much it's deemed and in

3287
02:20:46,780 --> 02:20:44,391
reality I don't know la Llorona by the

3288
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:46,790
way extends the The Legend of La Llorona

3289
02:20:51,940 --> 02:20:49,280
of course with with kind of sub cultural

3290
02:20:55,060 --> 02:20:51,950
details extends all the way up into the

3291
02:20:57,240 --> 02:20:55,070
Rocky Mountain Southwest also I've done

3292
02:21:00,100 --> 02:20:57,250
a bit of digging into this particular

3293
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:00,110
urban myth or legend if you will and it

3294
02:21:07,841 --> 02:21:03,290
does have its seemingly has a history

3295
02:21:11,020 --> 02:21:07,851
going all the way back to pre Spanish

3296
02:21:12,970 --> 02:21:11,030
conquest of America back into Spain and

3297
02:21:17,081 --> 02:21:12,980
also there's a similar version of it

3298
02:21:19,301 --> 02:21:17,091
down in in the Mexico lands that

3299
02:21:21,370 --> 02:21:19,311
probably a spring from some sort of

3300
02:21:23,740 --> 02:21:21,380
Mayan tradition as well so it's

3301
02:21:25,631 --> 02:21:23,750
interesting that the you know the legend

3302
02:21:27,301 --> 02:21:25,641
has the detail in South America of a

3303
02:21:29,260 --> 02:21:27,311
giant snake that comes out and eats you

3304
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:29,270
basically up in

3305
02:21:33,969 --> 02:21:30,890
in Colorado it's just a woman wailing

3306
02:21:36,130 --> 02:21:33,979
for her children and it's she's the

3307
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:36,140
sound of her voice is terrifying enough

3308
02:21:40,599 --> 02:21:38,510
to keep anybody away from looking for

3309
02:21:43,090 --> 02:21:40,609
and if you were one of her kids you

3310
02:21:45,069 --> 02:21:43,100
would wonder what things you did bad for

3311
02:21:47,229 --> 02:21:45,079
her to be wailing at you well the kids

3312
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:47,239
drowned that's why she was wailing as

3313
02:21:53,290 --> 02:21:51,170
far as the the legend goes is watching

3314
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:53,300
these stories progress that you know the

3315
02:21:57,700 --> 02:21:55,760
woman who's lost her children out there

3316
02:22:00,429 --> 02:21:57,710
like you know the Irish Banshee out

3317
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:00,439
their wailing away and how it buries not

3318
02:22:05,319 --> 02:22:02,210
only in different countries but even in

3319
02:22:08,380 --> 02:22:05,329
in the u.s. in different portions these

3320
02:22:10,359 --> 02:22:08,390
legends have little twists and turns to

3321
02:22:13,569 --> 02:22:10,369
them that I think are fascinating to

3322
02:22:15,279 --> 02:22:13,579
research well in terms of the Banshee

3323
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:15,289
there's only five families that the

3324
02:22:20,130 --> 02:22:17,090
banshees wail when one of them's gonna

3325
02:22:23,500 --> 02:22:20,140
die and one of them's the O'Briens

3326
02:22:25,870 --> 02:22:23,510
didn't know that so if we hear instead

3327
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:25,880
the para cast some kind of wailing we

3328
02:22:30,849 --> 02:22:28,250
better look out for you mm-hmm that's

3329
02:22:33,309 --> 02:22:30,859
all right I'm not worried

3330
02:22:36,849 --> 02:22:33,319
that's not my role name so well that's

3331
02:22:40,139 --> 02:22:36,859
right okay yes we remember what the real

3332
02:22:41,859 --> 02:22:40,149
name is we won't go into that here

3333
02:22:45,550 --> 02:22:41,869
progressing let's look at the future

3334
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:45,560
here Chad Lewis okay so this book is out

3335
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:47,359
we hope that twenty or thirty million

3336
02:22:51,790 --> 02:22:49,010
people will buy a copy because it's a

3337
02:22:55,870 --> 02:22:51,800
quick read it's a fascinating book about

3338
02:22:58,240 --> 02:22:55,880
a real wonderful thought-provoking

3339
02:23:00,399 --> 02:22:58,250
journey into the past to find out what

3340
02:23:01,809 --> 02:23:00,409
really happened so where do you go from

3341
02:23:04,359 --> 02:23:01,819
here do you have some cases on the

3342
02:23:06,729 --> 02:23:04,369
agenda you have some travels that you've

3343
02:23:09,939 --> 02:23:06,739
already engaged in and you're putting

3344
02:23:12,700 --> 02:23:09,949
down the words to paper yeah I'm doing

3345
02:23:15,160 --> 02:23:12,710
right now a book on Wisconsin sea

3346
02:23:17,740 --> 02:23:15,170
serpents now believe it or not in my

3347
02:23:20,740 --> 02:23:17,750
home state during the late 1800s Early

3348
02:23:23,469 --> 02:23:20,750
1900s we had several dozen lakes rivers

3349
02:23:26,500 --> 02:23:23,479
and streams that were all thought to be

3350
02:23:28,029 --> 02:23:26,510
inhabited by these giant beasts some of

3351
02:23:30,219 --> 02:23:28,039
which are still thought to be there

3352
02:23:32,679 --> 02:23:30,229
today so that's what I'm working on

3353
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:32,689
right now of course every time we do a

3354
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3355
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:37,369
we're adding new stuff and eventually I

3356
02:23:42,189 --> 02:23:39,920
hope with shows like this that the word

3357
02:23:42,700 --> 02:23:42,199
gets out or people start digging through

3358
02:23:45,310 --> 02:23:42,710
their fan

3359
02:23:47,770 --> 02:23:45,320
we history that maybe one day we'll

3360
02:23:49,719 --> 02:23:47,780
we'll put out the the final edition of

3361
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:49,729
it where the case will be solved one way

3362
02:23:54,610 --> 02:23:51,920
or the other and that's my main goal is

3363
02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:54,620
to keep adding evidence because I feel

3364
02:23:59,920 --> 02:23:56,810
this is a case that will probably linger

3365
02:24:01,330 --> 02:23:59,930
on for many more years and maybe some

3366
02:24:03,820 --> 02:24:01,340
more evidence will come like I said

3367
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:03,830
something in the Attic somewhere maybe

3368
02:24:08,680 --> 02:24:06,770
you grew up and VanMeter maybe you still

3369
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:08,690
live there but you have this stuff in

3370
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the Attic maybe brats Tiger has it he of

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course has a huge amount of information

3372
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he lives in Iowa he has all the

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02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:17,479
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3454
02:27:47,171 --> 02:27:44,960
dr. workman with wellspring spinal care

3455
02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:47,181
if you're experiencing neck mid or lower

3456
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:49,370
back pain this information is for you

3457
02:27:52,900 --> 02:27:51,290
one of the complaints that I hear is

3458
02:27:55,180 --> 02:27:52,910
patients receive their typical

3459
02:27:57,161 --> 02:27:55,190
adjustment only having to repeat them as

3460
02:27:59,200 --> 02:27:57,171
the pain returns putting the bones back

3461
02:28:00,911 --> 02:27:59,210
in place is only half of the battle at

3462
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:00,921
wellspring spinal care we have the

3463
02:28:06,011 --> 02:28:03,530
entire solution we use the Nuka approach

3464
02:28:07,930 --> 02:28:06,021
utilizing 3-dimensional x-rays and

3465
02:28:10,211 --> 02:28:07,940
gentle touch technology to deliver

3466
02:28:11,980 --> 02:28:10,221
specific correction we then design a

3467
02:28:14,261 --> 02:28:11,990
custom nutritional supplement program

3468
02:28:16,390 --> 02:28:14,271
which provides essential nutrients

3469
02:28:17,950 --> 02:28:16,400
targeting the areas of concern with a

3470
02:28:20,261 --> 02:28:17,960
Nuka approach and proper nutrition

3471
02:28:22,150 --> 02:28:20,271
you'll be on your way to a faster and

3472
02:28:24,190 --> 02:28:22,160
more permanent recovery to get you on

3473
02:28:29,020 --> 02:28:24,200
the road to wellness visit dr. Ortman

3474
02:28:31,331 --> 02:28:29,030
calm that's dr. o RT ma n calm or call

3475
02:28:33,881 --> 02:28:31,341
us today nine five two three oh three

3476
02:28:36,131 --> 02:28:33,891
ninety one twenty four that's nine five

3477
02:28:38,081 --> 02:28:36,141
two three oh three ninety one twenty

3478
02:28:42,011 --> 02:28:38,091
four wellspring spinal care chiropractic

3479
02:28:44,261 --> 02:28:42,021
done right hi this is nuclear physicist

3480
02:28:46,001 --> 02:28:44,271
or jurist and treatment you are

3481
02:28:49,751 --> 02:28:46,011
listening to

3482
02:28:57,251 --> 02:28:49,761
erricka the gold-standard a paranormal

3483
02:29:00,131 --> 02:28:57,261
radio with gene and chris and the para

3484
02:29:02,291 --> 02:29:00,141
cast Chad Lewis joins us I assume then

3485
02:29:04,511 --> 02:29:02,301
that you and your crew have come in

3486
02:29:07,511 --> 02:29:04,521
contact with bright Steiger from time to

3487
02:29:10,961 --> 02:29:07,521
time yes especially being that he's from

3488
02:29:13,390 --> 02:29:10,971
Iowa lives in Iowa we had him do the

3489
02:29:16,031 --> 02:29:13,400
foreword for the van Meter visitor and

3490
02:29:18,371 --> 02:29:16,041
he had actually talked briefly about it

3491
02:29:21,371 --> 02:29:18,381
or written about it in one of his books

3492
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:21,381
a small little paragraph that appeared

3493
02:29:26,591 --> 02:29:24,530
out of a New York paper and he recalled

3494
02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:26,601
that when we talked to him about it he

3495
02:29:31,810 --> 02:29:29,570
was just very very glad to help out

3496
02:29:34,751 --> 02:29:31,820
knowing that this was going to get a if

3497
02:29:38,741 --> 02:29:34,761
bowling book but obviously when you can

3498
02:29:41,381 --> 02:29:38,751
use Brad as a encyclopedia of knowledge

3499
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:41,391
dating back decades it's a real treasure

3500
02:29:45,821 --> 02:29:43,610
I mean some of these things I'd rather

3501
02:29:48,491 --> 02:29:45,831
have a researcher that with that

3502
02:29:50,711 --> 02:29:48,501
credibility of mr. Steiger then I would

3503
02:29:55,211 --> 02:29:50,721
Google well of course he's written what

3504
02:29:57,520 --> 02:29:55,221
2,000 books or something like that no

3505
02:30:00,520 --> 02:29:57,530
actually I think it's like 170 but who's

3506
02:30:02,890 --> 02:30:00,530
counting right you know I don't do that

3507
02:30:04,060 --> 02:30:02,900
I actually wrote over 30 books but I

3508
02:30:06,371 --> 02:30:04,070
reached a point where I said you know

3509
02:30:08,501 --> 02:30:06,381
what this isn't really paying off for

3510
02:30:10,361 --> 02:30:08,511
the amount of work you got to do there

3511
02:30:13,151 --> 02:30:10,371
has to be a better way to make a living

3512
02:30:15,731 --> 02:30:13,161
and I said well I talk a lot so here I

3513
02:30:18,761 --> 02:30:15,741
am for better or worse would you ever

3514
02:30:19,211 --> 02:30:18,771
consider collecting anything in the UFO

3515
02:30:20,350 --> 02:30:19,221
realm

3516
02:30:22,781 --> 02:30:20,360
obviously you're interested in the

3517
02:30:25,511 --> 02:30:22,791
subject you've covered it are you ever

3518
02:30:28,631 --> 02:30:25,521
interested in trying to give your slant

3519
02:30:30,821 --> 02:30:28,641
to what's causing UFOs to appear well

3520
02:30:33,491 --> 02:30:30,831
certainly I've done a lot of UFO

3521
02:30:36,701 --> 02:30:33,501
research and abduction research that's

3522
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:36,711
when I started out I started picking the

3523
02:30:42,071 --> 02:30:39,110
brain of researchers you know 20 years

3524
02:30:43,991 --> 02:30:42,081
ago when I was talking to John Carpenter

3525
02:30:46,781 --> 02:30:44,001
the abduction researcher not the

3526
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:46,791
director and others where I brought him

3527
02:30:51,821 --> 02:30:49,730
to Wisconsin to compare notes and I've

3528
02:30:54,980 --> 02:30:51,831
written several stories and some of my

3529
02:30:57,170 --> 02:30:54,990
other books about specific cases but I

3530
02:31:00,080 --> 02:30:57,180
the field of beautiful research because

3531
02:31:02,570 --> 02:31:00,090
again it's always changing and I hate to

3532
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:02,580
sound like a broken record but because

3533
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:04,800
I'm puzzled by so many of these things

3534
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:07,170
that I just don't have the answers maybe

3535
02:31:12,140 --> 02:31:09,210
that's what keeps me going especially in

3536
02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:12,150
the field of UFOs where it's easy to get

3537
02:31:17,480 --> 02:31:14,490
bogged down and every book coming out

3538
02:31:19,370 --> 02:31:17,490
about Roswell in the same do cases but

3539
02:31:21,710 --> 02:31:19,380
when you get these new cases I think

3540
02:31:24,140 --> 02:31:21,720
that's where the fun and excitement come

3541
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:24,150
together also I think we've reached a

3542
02:31:27,590 --> 02:31:25,650
point with some of these old cases where

3543
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:27,600
there's just no more evidence to find

3544
02:31:33,230 --> 02:31:31,290
right now yeah I would agree I mean we

3545
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:33,240
mentioned one and I won't mention that

3546
02:31:38,030 --> 02:31:36,479
name again Aztec that I don't see how

3547
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:38,040
they're going to find more information I

3548
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:40,170
am delighted to be proven wrong by the

3549
02:31:42,740 --> 02:31:40,650
way

3550
02:31:45,020 --> 02:31:42,750
I'm not dogmatic about the case I just

3551
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:45,030
think we've given it fair coverage and

3552
02:31:49,310 --> 02:31:47,850
it doesn't pass muster but there are so

3553
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:49,320
many things happening I mean if you pick

3554
02:31:53,450 --> 02:31:51,750
up a copy of MUFON it's journal and you

3555
02:31:55,640 --> 02:31:53,460
see almost every issue there is an

3556
02:31:57,560 --> 02:31:55,650
interesting sighting so people are still

3557
02:31:59,630 --> 02:31:57,570
having sightings and these sightings are

3558
02:32:03,170 --> 02:31:59,640
not dredging up old reports but fairly

3559
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:03,180
new cases I mean in 2012 especially the

3560
02:32:08,330 --> 02:32:04,770
first early part of the year in late

3561
02:32:10,340 --> 02:32:08,340
2011 there were lots and lots of cases

3562
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,350
so you have to think even though people

3563
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:12,240
will say well the UFOs have left us they

3564
02:32:16,340 --> 02:32:14,160
sure haven't not based on that

3565
02:32:18,830 --> 02:32:16,350
particular publication or some of the

3566
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:18,840
others yeah you get you it's amazing

3567
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:20,610
when you find that people are

3568
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:22,890
experiencing these things thousands of

3569
02:32:27,020 --> 02:32:24,960
them it may not get that the media

3570
02:32:29,240 --> 02:32:27,030
attention at once did but yeah if you

3571
02:32:30,860 --> 02:32:29,250
grab the MUFON Journal you'd be amazed

3572
02:32:32,930 --> 02:32:30,870
at how many credible sightings are

3573
02:32:34,730 --> 02:32:32,940
taking place all over the US or if you

3574
02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:34,740
go to as you guys mentioned earlier

3575
02:32:39,620 --> 02:32:37,650
Peter Davenport's place his website

3576
02:32:41,870 --> 02:32:39,630
there it's amazing how many people are

3577
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:41,880
still seeing things and the thing the

3578
02:32:46,340 --> 02:32:44,160
person like you who has I think a more

3579
02:32:48,050 --> 02:32:46,350
enlightened viewpoint will discover is

3580
02:32:50,840 --> 02:32:48,060
when you go to a place where people see

3581
02:32:53,180 --> 02:32:50,850
UFOs and I can't help but emphasize this

3582
02:32:55,910 --> 02:32:53,190
again again as chris says that you will

3583
02:32:59,360 --> 02:32:55,920
always or invariably see that people

3584
02:33:01,820 --> 02:32:59,370
have seen other strange things in or

3585
02:33:04,880 --> 02:33:01,830
around the UFO encounters but if your

3586
02:33:06,650 --> 02:33:04,890
questionnaire covers UFOs not what else

3587
02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:06,660
have you seen that's strange lately

3588
02:33:11,420 --> 02:33:08,850
you'll never learn about that it's like

3589
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:11,430
in a tunnel speaking of tunnels that's

3590
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:13,439
an amazing point and I agree completely

3591
02:33:19,309 --> 02:33:16,170
with that when we're researching a case

3592
02:33:21,500 --> 02:33:19,319
whether it's a a haunting or UFOs we

3593
02:33:23,330 --> 02:33:21,510
always throw out there that while we're

3594
02:33:24,950 --> 02:33:23,340
let's say it's a UFO I'll always say

3595
02:33:27,469 --> 02:33:24,960
well anything else weird you know

3596
02:33:29,450 --> 02:33:27,479
hauntings cattle mutilations just

3597
02:33:31,460 --> 02:33:29,460
anything out of the ordinary and it's

3598
02:33:33,679 --> 02:33:31,470
amazing when you ask people sometimes

3599
02:33:35,420 --> 02:33:33,689
about what you're investigating and they

3600
02:33:36,740 --> 02:33:35,430
say nope never heard of that and then

3601
02:33:38,809 --> 02:33:36,750
you bring up other things and they'll

3602
02:33:41,979 --> 02:33:38,819
say oh but you might be interested in

3603
02:33:45,139 --> 02:33:41,989
this that shouldn't hold only to

3604
02:33:47,410 --> 02:33:45,149
paranormal type events I also look for

3605
02:33:50,570 --> 02:33:47,420
aberrant social behavior weird weather

3606
02:33:53,899 --> 02:33:50,580
strange series of synchronicities and

3607
02:33:56,870 --> 02:33:53,909
coincidences any number of a litany of

3608
02:33:59,630 --> 02:33:56,880
things that can can occur that may give

3609
02:34:01,450 --> 02:33:59,640
us some sort of insight into a wave of

3610
02:34:03,889 --> 02:34:01,460
activity and it tends to be

3611
02:34:06,229 --> 02:34:03,899
multi-discipline type activity as well I

3612
02:34:08,660 --> 02:34:06,239
think we're waiting for you Chad to say

3613
02:34:11,300 --> 02:34:08,670
something oh okay I thought you'd jump

3614
02:34:13,550 --> 02:34:11,310
in again there I agree 100% that you

3615
02:34:15,740 --> 02:34:13,560
have to expand what you're asking about

3616
02:34:19,099 --> 02:34:15,750
and oftentimes it may not happen right

3617
02:34:21,859 --> 02:34:19,109
away it may be a witness can't think of

3618
02:34:24,139 --> 02:34:21,869
anything or recall it but as the days go

3619
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:24,149
on they may contact you and say you know

3620
02:34:28,160 --> 02:34:26,399
I don't know if this really fits but you

3621
02:34:31,130 --> 02:34:28,170
might be interested in what happened

3622
02:34:33,979 --> 02:34:31,140
here and I think sometimes if you're

3623
02:34:36,410 --> 02:34:33,989
just too focused in on one thing where

3624
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:36,420
some people you knew that's their main

3625
02:34:42,139 --> 02:34:39,210
focus of one case I think you might lose

3626
02:34:44,030 --> 02:34:42,149
out on some of these other areas and the

3627
02:34:47,179 --> 02:34:44,040
thing is here look after all these years

3628
02:34:50,359 --> 02:34:47,189
that we've been studying say UFOs we

3629
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:50,369
have gone nowhere take a book from the

3630
02:34:55,250 --> 02:34:52,560
1950s from Keough and other people

3631
02:34:57,740 --> 02:34:55,260
Edward rappelled and read the contents

3632
02:35:00,859 --> 02:34:57,750
read about the cases and tell me if we

3633
02:35:03,590 --> 02:35:00,869
know anything more about the phenomenon

3634
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,600
today than we did 60 years ago do you

3635
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:05,760
tell me that well maybe I'm wrong but I

3636
02:35:11,450 --> 02:35:08,250
don't see it and I think if we open our

3637
02:35:13,250 --> 02:35:11,460
eyes to a wide and wonderful and

3638
02:35:16,250 --> 02:35:13,260
sometimes frightening paranormal world

3639
02:35:18,380 --> 02:35:16,260
out there we're going to discover that a

3640
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,390
lot of crazy things are going on under

3641
02:35:22,280 --> 02:35:20,640
our very noses and certainly the

3642
02:35:23,960 --> 02:35:22,290
mainstream media doesn't know about it

3643
02:35:26,570 --> 02:35:23,970
because they're too busy with silly

3644
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:26,580
political talk mindless political talk

3645
02:35:30,920 --> 02:35:28,050
about stuff that somebody doesn't even

3646
02:35:33,020 --> 02:35:30,930
make any sense and they don't explore

3647
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:33,030
what's going on in this country we can

3648
02:35:37,011 --> 02:35:35,010
talk about that on a different show and

3649
02:35:38,840 --> 02:35:37,021
what's going on in our world with all

3650
02:35:41,300 --> 02:35:38,850
these weird things going on but it's

3651
02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:41,310
certainly an upfront and personal

3652
02:35:45,890 --> 02:35:43,410
experience to anybody who has these

3653
02:35:47,300 --> 02:35:45,900
encounters everywhere do you find for

3654
02:35:49,011 --> 02:35:47,310
example this is one of the last

3655
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:49,021
questions we'll be asking on the episode

3656
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:51,930
the affine Chad that people after having

3657
02:35:56,030 --> 02:35:53,850
these experiences are just really bummed

3658
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:56,040
out they're frightened yeah I think a

3659
02:36:01,340 --> 02:35:57,450
lot of the people that I've encountered

3660
02:36:03,290 --> 02:36:01,350
that have had experiences are one their

3661
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:03,300
their logical rational down-to-earth

3662
02:36:07,880 --> 02:36:05,760
people and they're trying to solve it

3663
02:36:10,250 --> 02:36:07,890
that they had something unexplained

3664
02:36:12,620 --> 02:36:10,260
happen to them it may have caused a

3665
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:12,630
ripple in their belief systems or their

3666
02:36:18,320 --> 02:36:14,730
outlook on life and they're trying to

3667
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:18,330
piece the puzzle together and in a way

3668
02:36:22,490 --> 02:36:20,160
they're doing the same thing I think all

3669
02:36:24,410 --> 02:36:22,500
of us are doing that they're just trying

3670
02:36:27,410 --> 02:36:24,420
to find answers to to what really

3671
02:36:29,630 --> 02:36:27,420
happened to them do you think in your

3672
02:36:32,780 --> 02:36:29,640
lifetime we will find those answers I'm

3673
02:36:34,730 --> 02:36:32,790
sort of feeling jaded over it I think

3674
02:36:36,380 --> 02:36:34,740
Chris is that Mike more optimistic

3675
02:36:39,620 --> 02:36:36,390
because of course he's a young

3676
02:36:42,530 --> 02:36:39,630
whippersnapper I'm right in your

3677
02:36:44,090 --> 02:36:42,540
backyard there I don't think so I you

3678
02:36:47,210 --> 02:36:44,100
hit you hit it home when you talked

3679
02:36:49,850 --> 02:36:47,220
about the UFO research that just digging

3680
02:36:52,011 --> 02:36:49,860
back in the late 18-hundreds early 1900s

3681
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:52,021
they were reporting the same things

3682
02:36:56,960 --> 02:36:54,210
we're seeing now they had no idea what

3683
02:36:58,670 --> 02:36:56,970
was going on it's very frustrating

3684
02:37:00,980 --> 02:36:58,680
because a hundred years from now it may

3685
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:00,990
be the same thing but I think in my

3686
02:37:04,970 --> 02:37:03,210
lifetime we certainly won't know and

3687
02:37:07,700 --> 02:37:04,980
maybe we're not meant to I don't know

3688
02:37:09,530 --> 02:37:07,710
flying saucers are here to make us think

3689
02:37:11,570 --> 02:37:09,540
think about what that's another

3690
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:11,580
possibility and also the possibility

3691
02:37:15,380 --> 02:37:12,690
that we're looking at a cultural

3692
02:37:17,930 --> 02:37:15,390
phenomenon and that as we expand our

3693
02:37:20,511 --> 02:37:17,940
horizons what we see won't be flying

3694
02:37:21,890 --> 02:37:20,521
saucers anymore but that of course goes

3695
02:37:24,410 --> 02:37:21,900
against the grain because if you're

3696
02:37:25,880 --> 02:37:24,420
going to assume that UFOs are religious

3697
02:37:28,580 --> 02:37:25,890
spaceships will you expect that

3698
02:37:31,340 --> 02:37:28,590
eventually they'll stage a mass landing

3699
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:31,350
and let us know who or what they are but

3700
02:37:35,990 --> 02:37:34,170
it's a cultural phenomenon maybe part of

3701
02:37:38,330 --> 02:37:36,000
our collective unconscious

3702
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:38,340
I don't know maybe still an external

3703
02:37:42,530 --> 02:37:40,530
reality how could you know where it's

3704
02:37:44,450 --> 02:37:42,540
gonna end what shape it's going to take

3705
02:37:45,980 --> 02:37:44,460
chat Lois please tell our listeners

3706
02:37:48,470 --> 02:37:45,990
where they can find more of the things

3707
02:37:51,470 --> 02:37:48,480
that you do sure best way to go is the

3708
02:37:53,900 --> 02:37:51,480
band meter visitor comm and by the way

3709
02:37:55,580 --> 02:37:53,910
we have a link to that site we learn

3710
02:37:58,130 --> 02:37:55,590
more about the authors and you can buy

3711
02:38:01,070 --> 02:37:58,140
an autographed copy of the book the

3712
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:01,080
VanMeter visitor Chris O'Brien tell us

3713
02:38:05,630 --> 02:38:02,640
more about where we can find your stuff

3714
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:05,640
well it's a strange planet we live in as

3715
02:38:11,930 --> 02:38:09,210
we again found out today and it's our

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strange planet dot-com and he's always

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adding content to the site and he's

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going to add a feature where you can buy

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his books real soon

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of course stalking the herd will be out

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I guess October so stay tuned for that

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and place your advanced orders and we'll

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try to work out something with Chris so

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he gets you autographed copies by the

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way you can find us on Twitter where

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we're known as the para cast we are the

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para cast on Twitter if you go to the

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para cast com you can check out our

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forums

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check out the shows download every

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single episode going back to 2006 the

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first one Chad Lewis thank you so much

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for joining us this week on the para

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[Music]

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible